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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Delivery is good option for people with limited mobility

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

been disabled since 2017. pays half my salary. gave up driving last year. not good at those prices. wife grows vegetables in summer.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

agreed. Just because something is unsustainable if everyone were to have limited mobility doesn't mean it's unsustainable.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Americans are too lazy to travel to their lunch. However, for the vast majority of the people, you’re not 15 minutes of walk away from a healthy assortment of food. Even in NYC, depending on where you are, it may not be possible to always go to your food. The idea of your lunch being paid is also not common, and you’re expected to be back to working (not done eating) within 30 minutes or less. In many cases, your lunchtime is timed and unpaid. Nurses and hospital staff? Eat the shit downstairs in the cafeteria or nothing; if you’re late coming back from lunch, it’s almost as bad as being late to work itself.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Of all the modern capitalistic irritations (to put it mildly), this one I really detest. And not least because of how ridiculously popular it is, wtf people? I watch folks I know, who can barely afford the food itself in the first place, then inflate the price by like 40%, just to eat the already (very!) mediocre food...cold. Solely so that they don't have to leave the house. Just completely unhinged from my POV, and honestly produces almost a sense of alienation in me, I find it so bizarre.

Disclaimer though - I will acknowledge both that I happily enjoy various different foolish things myself, so the point about glass houses is worth my keeping in mind, and also there are some great reasons to use it (limited mobility for one, as another user pointed out).

But sheesh folks. Restaurants largely hate it from my understanding, the drivers doing it hate it (cuz the job - oh excuse me, the preferred exploitation-hiding euphemism is "gig" - is utter shit, a literal minor improvement over straight up homelessness), the environment hates it, the wear-and-tear on a likely broke person's vehicle and the wear-and-tear on already struggling infrastructure...I mean what the fuckity fuck, seriously. How is this so popular, we're all insane and just conveniencing our way to oblivion. SMgoddamnH.

Aside from the aforementioned reasonable uses (largely edge cases, let's be honest), there is precisely one group of people who truly benefit in any serious way from this amazingly destructive nonsense - and wouldn't you know it, it's the exact same group fucking us in every other way! Weird!

Sorry. This one really gets me.

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[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

NYC primarily does not use cars for food delivery, there's a 99.8% chance they will deliver it via bicycle.

[–] TheCleric@lemmy.org 89 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just fyi, like 99% of food delivery via gig workers in nyc is done via e-bike

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Even if done in a car in areas where a e-bike isn't really feasible, they usually take several orders at at time. I think 1 car picking up and delivering 3 orders is probably slightly more efficient than each person driving to the restaurant.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Why does OP think every delivery is made by car? Often times they are made by bike.

[–] mister_flibble@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Especially in NYC. Bike delivery has been a thing there long before uberdashhub. Hell, it was a fucking plot point in Spiderman 2 back in 2004:

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[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

In high density urban settings this is absolutely true. 99% of my orders are delivered by bicycle.

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[–] bigschnitz@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I assume that most deliveries in NYC are by push bike couriers and vesper type scooters. Thats more typical than yank tanks for this sort of thing in most densely populated cities I've seen.

[–] head_socj@midwest.social 10 points 2 days ago

It's mostly scooters and e-bikes.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I don't disagree that it's stupid but my problem is the stacking - Delivery fee and Service fee? The service is delivery! Why are they two fees? Either the cost of the delivery is being itemized in real time ($1.99 for gas, the rest for the human) or the delivery isn't $1.99! If the cost to deliver an item is $20 and I make $50/hr working a project, maybe having food delivered makes sense.

But also, I know the delivery guy isn't making all that and he's delivering five orders so don't charge me a service fee when I'm already subsidizing you paying him a shit wage.

Everything is shitty either way.

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[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 32 points 3 days ago (23 children)

What's more ridiculous? 10 people each driving to the fast food joint individually or one delivery driver making a round trip to 10 people?

We pay other people to do the things we can't or don't want to do all the time, this isn't different.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 14 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Do Americans really get their shit delivered by car?over here it's motorcycles 99% of the time (and bicycles the other 1%)

Seems rather.... Sluggish and inefficient for delivery drivers to go by car.

[–] hdsrob@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I'm in a small city, with a lot of rural / suburban areas. I'm often delivering 15+ minutes away from the city center by car. A bicycle wouldn't be able to get to any of these places in any reasonable amount of time, and there's also no shoulders or bike lanes on most of these roads so it would be seriously dangerous.

We also do a lot of large grocery delivery orders (50 - 100+ items) so there's no way those can be done via bike or motorcycle.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's not an option to pick what they deliver it on, it's whatever the driver chooses to use. In more densely populated areas some people use bikes.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 130 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (39 children)

A lot of these are delivered by bike nowadays, no?

Edit: since people keep asking without reading below, I mean specifically in NYC.

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

When you build infrastructure that requires you take cars everywhere you minimize people going to get things for themselves

[–] peetabix@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I find it funny that the tip is already there before you get your food. I mean, did the driver make the burrito? He might be late and you get cold food, he might be a dick.

[–] virku@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Mandatory tips in general is a silly concept for me. The driver should be earning a fair salary without it and the price of the food/delivery should account for the staff costs. And any tips should be a voluntary extra. I feel the same about adding taxes on top of the sticker price the way they do in the US. That was an unexpected culture shock for me when I went there a few years ago.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This cuts both ways actually. you can have 10 guys going through a drive thru or one 1 making 10 stops. The one guy making ten stops results in less traffic and fewer emissions.

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why was the subtotal of the actual food being ordered omitted?

Likely because it would give meaningful context to the amounts of the fees, and the ragebaiting OOP wants to avoid that.

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

$92 assuming they’re being honest about it being New York and it’s for food delivery. Since their tax rate is 8.75% for prepared food.

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

The $30 in fees don’t seem unreasonable when you think about it.

A chunk is taxes and well, they’d have been there anyway so I’m not counting them.

A chunk is tip, which was voluntary so I’m not including it.

That leaves about $15 for a delivery fee, in New York. Not sure what the driver makes but a portion of that $15 is going to them.

The real question is about how this person values their opportunity cost, because they actively decided that the time they would save was worth paying the extra delivery fees and tip. They made that decision and THEN complained about the injustice of…. Their own behavior and choices?

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[–] PmMeFrogMemes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

this is some quality ragebait right here

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Funny how Chinese and pizza places could do this all day everyday and it cost 5% of the cost of the food. Not double it. Delivery food has been hit with inflation and market 'innovation' just like everything else. But let's pretend working people wanting convenience services is somehow the problem...the avocado toast on wheels argument.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (5 children)

...if you think delivery is too expensive, maybe don't get your food delivered, then? Just a thought.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 18 points 3 days ago (9 children)

It's not ridiculous. Time is the most precious resource.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

More people need to learn about and think about externalized costs.

"This plastic cup is free! ... if I ignore the fact that it's going into a landfill or worse"

"This delivery is free! ... if I ignore the fact that the delivery guy is getting fucked by capital"

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's kind of wild how the standard fare of pizza and chinese food delivery was absorbed by gig work. They used to be employees of the restaurant.

[–] Ansis100@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not sure about other places but here when you order pizza, it is MUCH cheaper to call the restaurant directly and have them deliver it. It's usually faster too.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Technology should have made restaurant deliverer's lives easier and increased their efficiency. They should have made more money and worked less.

Instead we got gig workers who are basically impoverished wage slaves. They get no rights and no benefits. What is worse is whatever temporary profits they made have been sucked up by corporations by now.

This is a great case study for how to not use technology and how Tech Bros are not disrupters, they are destructors who profiteer, choke out, and then destroy markets.

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[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago (19 children)

I've lived several places. In some, I could walk to get food, and I gladly did so. In others, I could not.

Should I have starved?

If your argument is "you should have driven," then you are depending on cars. Whether it's the buyer or an employee doing the driving has little effect on how much a car is being used. The environment doesn't care who's burning the gas.

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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, sometimes youve had a few beers, then really want some Taco Bell. Better to door dash it than to go driving while tipsy. The service charge is really a 'failed to plan ahead' charge.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (7 children)

other countries deliver most things using motorbikes, it always sounded ridiculous to me to use a car to deliver food

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[–] psion1369@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The delivery services are a boon and a bane for everyone. For the restaurant, you no longer need to pay wages or insurance for dedicated delivery workers, but now have service fees that cut into profits. The customer has to cover many of these costs in all these extras fees and service charges, but get did delivered to them. And the driver has to pay for gas and insurance out of the pitiful payments and tips they get. If you are in a rural area, forget about getting enough local orders to cover anything.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (6 children)

And the rich take a huge profit just to run an app.

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[–] GnillikSeibab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

None of us need to purchase this goofy ass delivery powered by virtual slave labor. Spend no money, cause no harm. Let those capitalists seethe we no longer need to endlessly consume to be happy.

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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People really, really need to learn to cook for themselves. Nothing wrong with the odd takeout, or even delivery but I sense a lot of people live on deliveries all the time and waste a fortune

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