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If you want to be this simplistic, you could also apply this to the Matrix, Die Hard, at least 3 Star Wars films, most od the James Bond series, and basically every action movie made between 1991 and 1999.
Yes. Let's give credit to Infinity War which did not end with the heroes winning. Despite clearly being a 2-parter that the heroes would eventually win, it was a complete story arc and if you were one of the 16 million Americans who died in the 5 year gap between the releases of Infinity War and Endgame, you'd have died knowing only that the heroes lost.
Endgame was pretty effective, if heavy-handed, at manipulating my emotions, so it's hard for me to count it as a pure win, but that's just me.
However, yes: Infinity War is an exception that proves the rule.
Yeah the good guy wins in 99.9% of all movies. But that's not a bad thing.
I think one of the reasons I liked Rogue One was that it's "win condition" wasn't "every one lived happily ever after". although I will say, if you have enough time to find a beach and make out, you probably have enough tome to find a shuttle, or something.
(the other reason I liked Rogue One was Alan Tudyk as K2-S0)(okay, actually, that's why I loved Rogue One. Sue me.)
It's good to have one movie be different, but if every movie was like that, it would be boring and depressing.
so all the other movies where all the action follows a set pattern... are not boring and depressing?
Boring movies are boring.
Most people prefer their stories generally ending on a positive note, and then once in a while go for a darker one, if they're in the mood for it. And yes sometimes we need one of these.
But every movie being a heroic sacrifice or a downer ending, even if they're good, would be depressing. And then it would start losing power quick, too.
Look at the marvel movies. Boring. Formulaic. Not even worth watching the trailer.
I loved the ending of Rogue One, saw it in the cinema too (I don't really watch new Star Wars movies).
I am fan of the director, Gareth Edwards, Monsters (2010) was such a good indie sci-fi experience.
No, Not a bad thing, but not interesting for me to watch either!
Sort of is tho. It might give you the false impression that the good guy wins in reality too, which couldnt be any further from the truth. It also teaches kids that there is a greater power that will eventually save them, which again is not going to happen in reality most of the time.
How would you rewrite The Sound of Music to fit this? Have the Nazis capture them at the end?
The Sound of Music
Dont know that so idk...
But yes, i think showing what its like to lose is important. It gives people all the more motivation to fight back if they are ever met with a choice in life.
The final song of the movie "So Long, Farewell" would suddenly have a different meaning.
I was thinking of stories/movies with "bad" endings and 1984 is a pretty obvious one that had a horrible ending but a massive cultural impact probably in part due to shock of the ending being so depressing.
If you want to be more realistic? Yes. They get captured and executed. The rest of the story shows all the Nazi's living long, fulfilling lives and facing no consequences for any of their actions.
Yea, this is true, if you just ignore literally everything else about superhero genre pieces, the themes and allegories that are being presented through storytelling, and only pay attention to the surface level spectacle.
Every book be like "This is a protagonist, they have a conflict". Why can't they just be original?!
I think you're giving too much credit to superhero movies, it's not like they're doing anything new, just churning money from simpletons
Let the poor guy cope.
Boy, have I got news for you...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces
beat me to it
They thanks. That was an interesting read
An average of 3 per year starting from 2003. By 2011 it was an average of 5 superhero movies per year. Currently we're on 6 a year.
I find it interesting that this seems to overlap with the period of Trump's rise to power.
Well, you do have two competing media empires turning them out looking for $$$. Warner vs. Disney. And the odd outsider...
So far this year we have:
Disney:
Captain America: Brave New World $200,500,001
Thunderbolts* $189,945,847
Fantastic Four – July 25, 2025
Warner:
Superman $155,045,310
Sony:
Kraven the Hunter $3,110,836
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