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[–] tomiant@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago
  1. Ads in an OS

°-°

[–] quantenzitrone@lemmings.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate that there is an adverisement for another article every second sentence.

Please just let me read the article in peace and put related stuff below.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

HERE IS AN UNSKIPPABLE POPUP TUTORIAL FOR OUR NEW FEATURES! DID YOU KNOW ->>> ->>> ->>>

[–] entwine@programming.dev 99 points 6 days ago (20 children)

I installed Opera and used it exclusively.

Why do people use Opera? It's a proprietary Chrome fork owned by a Chinese company.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I love Vivaldi, which is like a spiritual improvement on Opera. I switched a few years back, and once you get used to the UI and the key shortcuts it's just such a breeze using the internet. Magnificently customizable, very nice little extras. ALAS! Because Vivaldi is based on Opera which is based on Chromium and Google came out and started blocking or restricting addons (the implementation of Manifest v3 blocks a lot of API block requests that ad blockers rely on), I went back to Firefox. Because fuck that.

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Perhaps for old time's sake. It used to be using its own engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)

[–] unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yep. People have a bad habit of sticking to their habits beyond the point of usefulness. Myself included.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Chrome opera doesnt even resemble old opera. Vivadli is closer, and is led by the same guy that led old opera.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There was a lot of BS advertising not long ago about it being a web browser "for gamers", whatever that means.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

Gamers are easy to market to.

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[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 41 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (34 children)

#8 reawakened my nervousness about the lack of virus protection on Linux. With every milestone we celebrate it becomes more likely that malicious people target desktop Linux with their malware, and I don't think the "Linux is inherently secure" mentality helps. I hope clamav's on access scanner is fixed and improved so it becomes commonplace before there's some big newsworthy scandal.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago

Granular permissioned access for apps from trusted supply chains is better than attempting deny lists based on signatures (AV).

I still use it, but I put way more effort into SLSA, securing containers, flatpaks, and limiting their blow back. From there its keeping up with CVEs in ways that do not create more or break functionality.

I will say A LOT of the Linux software ecosystem is was more secure than Window's default.

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)

People were saying the exact same thing when I first started using Linux in 1999-ish

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"I have never been hacked before. Why would it start happening now?"

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

No one said that though. What was said was that as more people use Linux we will see more malware. And they've been saying that forever.

Here is an article talking about it from 2003 https://www.theregister.com/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

If I knew how to search Usenet these days I'm sure I could find something from the 90s

It's not untrue, actually, is common sense that there will be more malware, but it implies Linux's only advantage is security through obscurity.

People have been worrying Linux is going basically become Windows over the next couple of years for 2-3 decades now. Malware is a serious problem that Linux users should take precautions from, but it seems clear by now that what security advantages it has aren't based on obscurity.

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[–] entwine@programming.dev 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think a Linux anti virus program would be such a big security win. Phishing is the biggest security threat to most users, and no amount of software can prevent that.

Sure, downloading and running random shit is a concern, but people in that group are a bit of a lost cause. The best solution for that is to harden the OS, prevent running executables through the GUI, or from user folders (I think SELinux could do that), disable sudo on the user account, and only allow installing Flatpaks. The security of Flathub may not be perfect, but it's a smaller attack surface than the whole internet.

But even if you do that, an Indian call center scam is still going to manipulate your grandma into buying Amazon gift cards, so... It's a lost cause.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Whoever put autoplaying video with sound on that website should be executed.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

you can and should globally disable autoplay in your browser settings

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago

The click bait headline was a clue.

[–] danielton1@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (39 children)

"Why do people willingly use Windows?"

Because they are brainwashed into thinking it's the easiest platform, and that any problems they encounter are because that's just how computers are.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 127 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Sigh, please stop using that argument, it is an easy cop out, and you don't actually help your cause by analyzing the real issue.

The real reason why people willingly use Windows is multifaceted and can be boiled down to a few points.

  1. It is the defacto standard. If you are going to use a desktop/laptop computer you will probably use Windows, especially at work.
  2. Most users know Windows in some capacity, this means that companies have an easier time finding staff than if they used something else, it wouldn't be impossible but it would mean spending more time and money training the staff and causing them to be less productive for longer as they learn the system. This is slowly changing with the rise of web apps, chromebooks and Macs. But still, having IT support a fleet of Linux desktops/laptops when working in a non IT sector would be increadibly wasteful
  3. Software, like it or not, Windows has a huge amount of proprietary software dominance, organizations LOVE proprietary software and dislike FOSS for one reason. Liability. This means that they get a number to call, email to contact, a person to yell at, they can deflect complaints and seem like they are a strong decisive company by taking legal action against an external party, and not have the buck stop with themselves.

I am an IT technician, this is what I have seen in the corporate world.

By talking about "brainwashing" you remove most of the actual information that could help you figure out how Linux could be better suited for the masses, and to be frank, using a word like "brainwashing" makes the Linux community seem a bit unhinged/cultish.

Focus on facts, then you can use them to change the actual issue.

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You missed reason 0:

  1. It is the default. Almost all computers today come with Windows. If someone clearly unknowledgeavle were to ask the salespeople in any PC store, they'd say some variation of "just use Windows".

Microsoft managed to make sure "a PC" almost exclusively means "A computer [with Windows]".

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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

also in most cases it's simply the default.

Look if you've spent any time whatsoever interacting with clients, customers, whatever when it comes to development work for literally whatever be it software or web or mobile applications at the end of the day they all want the same thing. They want it to just work. Right out of the box, to simply work. The majority of people DO NOT want to customize their PC or online experience, they don't want to tinker, hell these days they don't even want to download an exe off a site - if it's not in some kind of app store, it ain't getting installed. They all want a thing to just work.

Windows, like it or not, provides that. They don't want to use Linux, they don't want to potentially have to open a terminal and type out some simple commands. Most of these people have never even opened a cmd prompt or powershell in windows in like....ever. A good chunk of people using windows don't even know terminals exist.

I use linux, I use different distros, and I don't blame anyone who refuses to make the transition even though they aren't exactly enjoying their windows experience. They deal with it. Let them complain. A lot of people simply don't have the time or even the interest to learn a new piece of tech and again I don't blame them.

Can Linux also "just work"? sure, it can potentially but lets not kid ourselves here and lets REALLY be honest with each other. It's not going to "just work" like Windows, for the vast majority of people, does.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

No, its mostly because 99% of people dont build their own computers and because 99% of prebuilts/laptops come with Windows preinstalled. Thats literally the only reason. If all devices came with Linux preinstalled, most people would be too lazy to switch and buy a windows license. This would change the market share of Linux which would immediately cause companies to prioritize making their software run on linux. Its really just corporate inertia.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or because work requires us to

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's the de facto standard for many reasons, none of them being individuals' choices. Microsoft paid and pushed for Windows to become the default OS on pretty much all OEM hardware, they lobbied super hard to push people into using Office, they gave massive discounts on licences for corporations, big and small companies.

It has nothing to do with individual choices, it created the problem you mentioned in your comment though. People just became complacent and ignorant because of that, not the other way around.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I'm sure there's a gazillion "I tried Linux for a week" articles, and I really like that they turned this one around.

But it has little substance.

He tells us how to add a user in Linux, but "with Windows 11, I pretty much had to sell my soul, do a backflip, promise to kneel at the foot of Microsoft, and learn to fly. OK, that's what it felt like." That's all. I'd have expected technical detail here. The other points aren't much better imho.

That said they're 100% correct on some points, and kinda correct on most others, e.g.: accidentally installing borderline malware through the Windows store is still Windows' fault, if indirectly.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, kinda disappointing how superficial this article is

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Me in an alternate timeline where Linux is proprietary and the defacto OS on the majority of computers:

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Here's my comments on it being a mostly normal user of Windows.

  1. Creating a local account was a pain - 100% true. I've done it. It's annoying and it's pain to remote into as well. There's a very small set of people who care about though.
  2. Google Passkeys will not work - I have it working. I don't remember it being too difficult and put the difficulty on my inability to execute it well. Saving passkeys are easy now.
  3. An email client that really frustrated me - what in the actual fuck. This doesn't belong here.
  4. Natural scrolling is so unnatural - I don't know what this is. It's either that I use it and it's natural, I don't use it because it wasn't turned on automatically, I used it and have change my norm to fit it
  5. Ads? Are you kidding me? - I've never noticed an ad. I don't use the start menu often, but it's not never. I also use Pro so they may not be there.
  6. Save As defaults to OneDrive? Why? - This is stupid that MS does this. I get why it works for them and I can even see the reasoning for having on by default for the average user, but ask first.
  7. Windows 11 uses so many resources - Yes.
  8. Virus and threat protection - another fail for MS. This should be a no brainer.
  9. Power and battery options - It does suck that it doesn't detect that it isn't a laptop. Pretty easy fix, but it would be better if it detected it

Three big problems if ads is becoming a thing. Three medium problems. One small, one you, and one what the fuck.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago

I agree that an email program is not Microsoft’s problem. However, there was a real issue there.

His point was that he knew how to easily use SSH to get around a badly behaved Linux GUI program that was monopolizing or disabling the UI. He did not know how to accomplish that on Windows.

As a Linux user, this scores points for me as it does highlight the flexibility, power, and control that Linux offers. It is also true that you have more power at the Linux command-line (even in a world with PowerShell) which is what SSH gives you access to.

That said, this article came across too much like “Windows does not work exactly like Linux and does not have all the things I love about Linux”. It also came across like a Linux expert being frustrated with a system he does not know as well.

We have had years of these kinds of articles slamming Linux when Windows people expect it to work exactly like Windows does. Those articles are dumb. We do not need to start filling the world with Linux versions of the same.

All of the stuff on this arrival is small time, first time run noise. Use it for a month and give an honest assessment of the pros and cons. What saved you time once the system was set up? What took longer? What entirely new capabilities got added to your workflow? What limitations were you just not able to overcome?

The two that I think are more systemic are OneDrive and Ads. Those are going to continue to drag on you long after the initial setup issues have faded into the background.

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[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This feels like an article for non-tech Linux users who hate Windows and want their bias confirmed.

Ok, that's what it felt like

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

To me, it felt like an obvious imitation of the myriad of articles that often have someone try Linux out, shortly, and then – often with obvious not understanding or just a surface level insight – proudly and definitively stating (or, at least, subtextually implying) that Linux was interesting but clearly not ready to be a Real™ operating system, etc.

But it seems most didn't read it as that, either.

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