I don't remember anyone being explicitly against the fake pictures of the moon. Photoshop has been around for decades.
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Nah it was a big thing.
It was a reddit post and a bunch of corpo news talking about the reddit post. Samsung didn't trick anyone, the ML algorithms were always in the open, people just had to turn off the "scene optimizer" mode.
It definitely seems like it was a big thing but it's hard to see if literally anything happened as a result or if anyone actually cared.
Company: We are going to use some crazy digital tricks to make your camera shots look way better.
Users: Get the pitchforks!!! /S
If you market AI enhancing you are at least upfront with what youre selling. If you market a super zoom camera and its really image manipulation, that's misleading.
Yes, one is misleading people. The other tells you you van improve the image.
Several years ago? That was barely 2.5 years ago. And nobody really cared. It was just a story for one news cycle. And they didn't about the moon replacement. They cared about the lie, claiming that it was still their actual picture. As long as the company is honest about lying people are fine with it. They'll even believe it's real. Rump taught us that.
several can mean 2-5 years, right? Or are you one of those people who insist on a distinction between couple, few, many, and several?
Sure it can. Just like one can mean anything between 27 and 7649.
I don't like the sky replacement stuff and never use it, but I can imagine that it's because a photo of the moon is a photo of the moon, while a photo with sky replacement is a photo of something else where the sky just happens to be in the background. Pretty substantial difference.
One is a touch-up. The other is just replacing my photo with a better photo.
was claiming to be able to take superzoom photos of the moon, but were actually just replacing the very fuzzy moon with a clear image
https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moon-photos-ai-galaxy-s21-s23-ultra
is indeed samsung that did this.
Now you see, that's the problem there... they were claiming to do X, but were actually doing Y.
Just as lets say if we did have AI person removal... but you said "actually lets you see what's behind the person that would obviously be a problem, as obviously that's actually impossible.
Likewise you hear space zoom... you have to point the camera at the moon... you assume that the camera is capturing the moon, and the image you are looking at is the moon in real time. Obviously not likely to happen but imagine for a second while you were looking at the moon through your camera, and say a meteor hit the moon leading to an enormous explosion and crater that would be visible through a telescope, or hell maybe something extreme enough that it's at least partially visible even to the naked eye. The feature as described would let you see it enhanced in more detail than you could with the naked eye, while in reality it would replace the abnormalities and give you a picture of how the moon looks in it's training data.
Your two scenarios really don't have a lot in common. In one of them, the phone doesn't do what the maker promised which of course annoys people. In the other, people can make active, conscious choices which people like. The part where images are changed is incidental.
Learned-helplessness: IF you keep battering a population from some principle, using incorporated-sociopaths, or bots,
THEN they're going to yield from principle, because organisms AREN'T machines, & machines crush organisms, including minds.
Why is it that now no government really cares about mitigating the still-accelerating ClimatePunctuation??
Learned-helplessness.
Why is it that the popuation in Argentina didn't vote-out Millei?
Learned-helplessness.
Why did sooo many younger voters not vote against Trump?
Learned-helplessness.
Why do privacy-raping apps now happen to be the norm?
Learned-helplessness.
this means that ANY abuse will win, given enough battering of the minds of the majority, if only it keeps hammering away to win.
I think people care but what to do? Its not like we are sitting on some way to change what they do.
It depends who you talk to. Most people around me know nothing about AI except that they use it and think it's great. They haven't heard about fake moons or hallucinations, or they never cared.
I remember several years back people were mad that a phone brand (can't remember which one, I think it was Samsung?) was claiming to be able to take superzoom photos of the moon, but were actually just replacing the very fuzzy moon with a clear image. Nowadays, you have phone brands (all of them, not just the one) actively promoting adding people into image, removing people from images, hell, even changing the entire SKY, with little to no reaction from most people. What happened, why doesn't anyone care anymore?
The difference was before, it didn't make the fuzzy moon a clear moon when they took a photo. It was a misleading ad for a feature the phone didn't actually have.
Now that feature is a reality. Sorta. Personally, I'd prefer the lenses just be good enough to take a clear photo of the moon instead of having it draw one. 🤷♂️
The difference was before, it didn't make the fuzzy moon a clear moon when they took a photo. It was a misleading ad for a feature the phone didn't actually have.
No, it did. The "feature" was actually released.
It was Samsung and they were just ahead of the time. Consider that in the field of photography we've gone from a photograph being a big and often expensive black and white deal to snapping pictures willy nilly on a device everybody carries around in their pockets. We had already accepted retouching of photos even before Photoshop. Photoshop or similar applications are now also available to more people on the same devices they carry around to snap ask these pictures. Photographs today are an artifice of human intervention and/or computer processing. No image is just what happened. The RAW data has probably been heavily edited by the photographer to get the final effect they wanted. Even before so-called AI they have gone in and changed shit around. And they've become so masterful at it that most of us cannot tell the difference. They have probably, on occasion, replaced a whole sky or the moon on shots before they ended up in a brochure. This is nothing new. So if these tricks get automated now, that shows me more how widespread they already were. And I think we are not talking about this as much because we as a society like being cheated like that because it looks good.
There’s a huge difference between adjusting the color mapping of the RAW data and using Photoshop or AI. It’s really hard to get an “objective truth” color mapping, and that certainly doesn’t come by default.
When I take a photo, I want to see the photo I took. If I decide to photoshop something with it, that’s my decision, and it’s no longer a real photo, and I would be a liar if I were to present it as such.
We should not start accepting manipulated images as a replacement for real images, and it’s unacceptable that Samsung didn’t give its users a choice in whether to use the real image or a manipulated one.
We should not start accepting manipulated images as a replacement for real images
My point was that it is already too late for that. I understand how your feel. I also think that you'll be part of a minority.
There is no such thing as a real image.