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The Democrats were furious Monday over eight senators who caved to support a deal to end the government shutdown that does not include the Affordable Care Act subsidies their party had spent weeks fighting for.

The offending lawmakers include Democratic Senators Dick Durbin, Tim Kaine, Jacky Rosen, John Fetterman, Catherine Cortez Masto, Maggie Hassan, Jeanne Shaheen, and independent Senator Angus King, who claimed that they’d ensured a Senate vote on extending the tax credits. Their capitulation comes after House Speaker Mike Johnson insisted for weeks that he wouldn’t promise them a vote on anything, and even if he does follow through with a vote, it’s unlikely such a measure will pass the House.

Democratic lawmakers slammed their colleagues for forfeiting health care coverage for an estimated 5.1 million Americans by 2034 and increasing premiums across the marketplace.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders railed against the deal while speaking before the Senate Sunday. “If this vote succeeds, over 20 million Americans are gonna see at least a doubling in their premiums in the Affordable Care Act,” he said. “For certain groups of people, it will be a tripling and a quadrupling of their premiums. There are people who will now be paying 50 percent of their limited incomes for health care. Does anybody in the world think that makes sense?”

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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Fucking I hope we all fucking die I hate this shitncountry fuckungshitfucki assbolefuck

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Did something happen or do you mean just generally sick of this bullshit?

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I am sick of this. It feels like 90% of what we do is lose and we are about to lose a lot thanks to these fucking people.

I hope these fuckinf cowards pay dearly for this shit fuck their worthless fucking lives.

[–] Profligate_parasite@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Dems prove once again that they have NO IDEA how to represent the people who voted for them... or even just like, make themselves even slightly likable.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

Power is now the final form of representation: it only represents itself.

  • Jean Baudrillard
[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 27 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

What the fuck was the point of the shutdown if the Dems are just going to capitulate to whatever republicans want? This was their one bit of leverage and they pissed it away.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Yep, with one maneuver, this just became the Dem shutdown. Why were they holding out unless they just wanted to hurt people?

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I have an insider secret on government shutdowns. Both sides are in on it, both sides plan it, both side cause it and both sides want it. Oh and super duper secret is that both sides are full of bullshit, and they still get their full salary uninterrupted. And one more thing: all politicians lie. By their own nature or else they would not be in politics or have the desire to get in office.

No, both sides are not the same, but collectively they kind of are. And they all manipulate us to think otherwise.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What we'll never hear is what those eight received in their personal bank accounts. They weren't so much "holding out" as negotiating.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I have to say, some kind of incentive (monetary or next step of career/legacy) seems like kind of an obvious question, and it's weird nobody has even pointed that out. Especially if most of these Dems aren't seeking reelection.

What kind of Democrat betrays her party, and then goes on Fox News of all places to give the details?

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago

I cannot fucking believe it. -Jon Stewart

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

I contacted both of my no vote senators and told them to get their house in order or I will not be donating, progressive or not, to them.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They may have been "protecting" the filibuster. If Republicans removed the filibuster, it would pave the way for Democrats to do the same thing. If Democrats were to lose the excuse of the Republican filibuster stopping them from passing legislation, they'd be forced to reveal that there are many more fucking disingenuous pieces of shit just like Manchin and Sinema ready to tank progressive legislation.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

the republicans removed the filibuster the other day to get a bunch of nominations through. It barely made the news.

https://time.com/7316763/nuclear-option-senate-republicans-trump-nominees/

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

There are more "low stakes" situations where removing the filibuster has been more or less normalized.

Passing the budget is a different beast altogether.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

It's "oops all manchins" as far as I'm concerned,

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

I don't think it's necessarily all Manchin's but I wouldn't be surprised if 30-70% were on a Manchin-like spectrum. I'm pretty sure that when most mainstream Democrats champion anything remotely progressive, they don't really want it to fully succeed (if at all) and would actually vote against the original legislation as written. The supposed champions are depending on Republicans and the open Manchin's to negotiate it down to something the champions would actually be willing to vote for.

I remember, years ago, Republicans put some extremely unpopular legislation up for a vote as a performative gesture knowing it would receive zero Democrat votes. Then one or maybe a few Democrats strategically voted in favor, knowing it would be catastrophic for the Republicans approval if they actually passed it in a Republican controlled Congress. Suddenly the remaining Republicans were forced to vote against the bill in order to prevent it from passing. I recall it was considered a very ballsy and impressive move from Democratic leadership.

Without the filibuster, the roles could absolutely be reversed... but the bill would be extremely popular and Republicans could show the true nature of the Democratic party as the Democrats purposely tank it to prevent it from actually passing.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 73 points 1 day ago (12 children)

MAGA tried to hold the Dems hostage, demanding our health care as ransom, and if we didn't comply, the richest in America would LITERALLY starve the poorest in America, to death.

Instead of caving, the Dems held out, and won a MASSIVE election victory, then, with all their new political capital, they voluntarily flushed it down the toilet, and gave MAGA everything they wanted, and got absolutely nothing in return.

Schmuck Schumer has to go, and every cowardly Democrat must be primaried. A handful need to be brought back (Bernie, AOC, Frost, Crocket, et al), but the rest can go.

I'm so sick of these weak, cowardly Democrats. No wonder MAGAs hate them, and bully them. They have no self-respect at all. Truly pathetic.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Never underestimate the Dems' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Oh, yeah, sometimes I think they do it on purpose. They seem to want to constantly prove that they are better losers than the MAGAs.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They absolutely do it on purpose. The party is expressly neoliberal capitalist. Progressive policies are anathema to them.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

And when two parties exist in a FPTP system, with one being extremely regressive, Americans expect the other party to be equally progressive in their approach!

Instead, as with the Rachet Effect, the Dems can't onboard progressivism because they're captured by corporate donors and consultants.

Primary 'em out!

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[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

They are not cowardly, they are part of the same team as their so called opponents. Different flavors, same late stage capitalism.

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