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Its very hard to sell a product based on it being "reliable" and "good quality". This is because everyone fucking lies in their marketing about those exact qualities and its inevitable that you will get breakdowns and your customers will complain about those breakdowns and destroy your reputation.
Everything is fake now. Its just a matter of using marketing to tell the customer your product is exactly what they want.
This often actually exists still, but those companies dont do big marketing and their products will cost 3x that of a "normal" one.
As I've heard it:
And yes, they are all very expensive. But I want to get me a Speed Queen so bad.
~~Miele was sold to a private equity firm and they've been reputation-fracking, so their recent stuff is supposed to be pretty mediocre but priced as if it's top-end.~~
Damn. I hate to hear that. Guess I'll scratch them off my list.
Cafe (spinoff from GE) does a pretty good job with stoves. AFAIK they are still pretty well respected.
The brands to stay away from at all costs are LG and Samsung.
Do you have a source for that? Their wiki page says that they are still family owned.
Got links?
Anything made for commercial kitchens.
Also second hand lab equipment. I was tired of my kitchen scale breaking and having annoying features like auto off after like 60 seconds. Got an ohaus lab scale off eBay for like $50, handles 18lbs, has a configuration menu with tons of options and features like count mode, sequential weight summing, and lets you set auto off for up to 30 minutes or completely disable auto off. Takes regular AAs or plugs into an outlet. I love it and it's built like a tank.
Man, having worked in a couple research labs in a previous life, there's no way I'd use a used lab scale for food. Especially when $50 will actually get you a pretty decent scale that has not been potentially used for weighing everything from diseased mice to stool samples to unidentified precipitates from a failed chemical reaction.
Since you're here to type this, it was probably not used for anything too nasty, but I do not endorse that as a way to save a few bucks!
In general anything made for businesses. They might be fine with us having stuff that doesn't work, but businesses still need things that work to produce things that don't.
Speed queen washing machine
If it'll run in a Laundromat for 30 years.. it'll run in your home.
My cousin had a coin operated speed queen washer when I briefly lived with her. The laundromat was getting rid of it not due to functioning, but because it would cost too much to retrofit it to use credit or bills, when it was already quite old.
You could use coins to make it work, but the panel was missing and you’d just stick your hand in and flip the switch. Always felt like you’d electrocute yourself.
Sucker ran great and she was doing 2 loads a day minimum (clearly no understanding of birth control, but she got her tubes tied after the 6th kid came out, so..)
She got it for far less than the price of a new bare-bones machine, so that could be a great option for anyone who may want one!
Yeah I was gonna say you can do this today by looking for the company that only makes whatever it is you're trying to buy and costs double what you expect to spend on it based on the competition.
If you want something that lasts, you generally need to pay for it.
(Though if you get the opportunity, ask someone who repairs the thing you're trying to buy what the best brand is, they're the people that know)
There is a nonprofit org called Open Source Ecology that is aiming to create what they call the "Global Village Construction Set", a collection of basic industrial machines required for modern living, designed in a way where everything can be built DIY by a single community (Including modular generators). I imagine that they have a plans for home appliances, I think as of now they're still working on construction equipment.
That's so cool. Yeah I've been thinking a great design strategy would be to build exclusively out of commonly accessible parts. Like, even repurpouse car parts if they're more accessible, or use arduinos as the microcontrollers.
There’s a huge demand from consumers for that. Just not from investors.
these exist, see speed queen
the cost is going to be higher, though, because "smart" widgets can offset their initial costs through the projeted sale of the data harvested over the life of the widget
most people being ignorant to this and to the inevitable issues with corporate-built "smart" widget infrastructure, the cheapest option will generally be the most popular
my inner doctorow says that the twiddlers did this on purpose to undermine competition, especially considering the attempts to keep those widgets from being liberated
ding ding ding
there can be no (valid) competition against capitalistic cronyism.
This kind of anti-enshittification marketing is starting to gain traction I think.
A big part of Valve's launch was saying stuff like "of course you can run whatever you want on it, it's yours!"
The Sims did it first, except the brand was called "Justa". Justa dishwasher. Justa fridge.
It's the Linux philosophy in appliances. I'm down.
I want to produce boxed recipes under a product line named "Jamaican"
I also wanna make a perfume line named "Eureka," following the same general idea but with awfully generic scent names
A total absense of tech would be bad for a washing machine. With a really simple conductivity sensor (basically just two electrodes on the sides of a plastic pipe) and an opacity sensor (an IR LED and an LDR on opposite sides of a clear pipe), you can measure how much stuff is dissolved in water and how much insoluable stuff is suspended. That then means that you can keep circulating the soapy water until it stops getting dirtier, then keep rinsing it out until it stops getting cleaner, which then means you can have the cycle times adjust themselves to how soiled the load is, instead of just making them as long as the worst case scenario might require and wasting energy, water, and time on an average load.
I just want everything with a heating element to use a heat pump instead. Electric heating elements are so horribly inefficient and wasteful in comparison.
I have a ventless heat pump combo washer/dryer. It takes up half the space that two machines would, plugs into a regular 110V outlet, gets HOT (way hotter than I expected a heat pump has any right to achieve), drains all its drying water into the drain, vents none of my indoor air outside, doesn't require changing laundry from one machine to the other. Practically and mechanically it seems brilliant and I can't imagine why I would ever buy a traditional machine ever again. Except...
It's chock full of horrible apps and shit that I'll never use. It's way too "smart", and those "smarts" are not there for my benefit. After a month or two it finally gave up trying to pester me to connect it to a network and install the app, which I'll never, ever do. It's never going to see an update or new firmware if I can help it, but I'm afraid that if/when it ever breaks, I'll have no choice. I know it's going to do things like eventually refuse to work until the computer has been "updated" to be "compatible" with new parts. And it's not even just that it's going to be expensive. It's that I don't trust it, and I don't trust it to remain functional in the future, even if there are parts, that they won't let me install the parts, or will require me to agree to play by their "rules" before I can.
Right to repair needs to be a thing, and people need to be able to break the ridiculous amount of both legal and practical control these manufacturers have over their devices after they've left the factory. We cannot and should not trust the manufacturers to support it. We need to allow independent repair.
There's tradeoffs - simplicity, repairability, efficiency.
Take washers, for example. I was looking at Speed Queen washers to replace mine. On paper they are great, more durable. But it turns out that while they have physical knobs and switches, newer models still hide a circuit board inside, so the gap between commercial and consumer models is shrinking (and not in the direction we want.)
The Speed Queen washers also have nearly half the capacity of off the shelf consumer washers, and use twice the amount of water and electricity. I did the math, and at the current utility and washer prices I'd break even replacing the washer every 5 years.
Furthermore, the local appliance repair shop that I trust told me it could take them weeks to get replacement parts for Speed Queen. For a laundromat that's not a huge deal when it's one washer out of twenty, for a single machine home it's a problem.
Yes, I do wish that consumer appliances were more reliable. But barring that, the next best thing is easily and quickly repairable, and on that matter there's brands that are qualitatively and quantitatively better in that regard than others.
And easier to repair, too.
A GE washing or drying machine from 30 years ago has easily removable panels, about 4 to 6 screws each and large easily identifiable parts, but one from a couple of years ago requires the top to be propped up or secured and the panels removed in a specific order such that you can them remove the internal plastic panels through which wires need to be dismounted around the drum with like 8 or more screws each of varying sizes and when it comes time to put it back together I hope you've got more than three arms because fuck you thats why.
There's a supermarket in Canada, that has a brand like that. It's bright yellow and black and only has the product name in bold writing on it.
Loblaw's and their subsidiaries. The brand is literally called No Name (Sans Nom). It always gave me a chuckle when I lived in Canada.
Maybe not only just work for 15+ years. But allow parts to be purchased and easy manuals to read for at home repairs.
Where do I sign up?
50/50 chance it sells at a premium compared to other models, making the entire idea useless
Source: Like every project that pretended to do this with their respective market
Why the hell is a light phone more expensive than a mid to high range model smartphone. I'd rather just buy that and swap the ROM if I want to remove google.
Economies of scale and not capturing data as part of your profit model
Deshittification
Just Uncomplicated Socialist Tech
That's like Ali G saying he invented the PlayStation 2 because he thought about it when the playstation came out.