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Apple’s Decision to Kill Its CSAM Photo-Scanning Tool Sparks Fresh Controversy (www.wired.com)

submitted 1 year ago by fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are two types of people in support of this scanning: technologically illiterate or malicious.

Either way, keep your invasive scanners off of my shit.

[+] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works -49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I understand why people want privacy and it’s legitimate. As an honest citizen I’d want that too.

But, as a policeman in a country without a dictator, I feel also really frustrated to know that a pedophile or any criminal is able to escape justice because the encryption is good enough.

It’s always difficult to find the right balance. Especially because some governments are corrupts and trying to eliminate political threats.

[–] Eximius@lemmy.lt 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about people who keep paper magazines of printed porn? I guess it's really frustrating how too good a lock and key of an apartment is? We should really outlaw locks and keys that the government can't open at any moment, with no notice. Search warrants should be unnecessary.

Disregarding whataboutism about much larger problems, specifically here, about something like the church.....

[–] c10l@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And don’t even get me started on how hard it is to have 24x7 cameras installed in every room of every household. It’s so frustrating to not be able to just know what everybody is doing all the time!

[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Police cameras, you say?

[–] willis936@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel also really frustrated to know that a pedophile or any criminal is able to escape justice because the encryption is good enough

How do you know something that's provably false? Pedophiles who evade justice are not doing careless things that need end to end encryption, like backing up their porn to iCloud. The problem doesn't start or end with encryption. The policy is entirely about privacy and has nothing to do with protecting children.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I totally agree about privacy, but I can’t agree when some people are thinking every government is trying to do mass surveillance and has evil thoughts.

Online criminality is kind of new and internet can’t just be heaven for criminals.

It’s about finding a right balance between all of these things and remembering that most citizens are honest.

And, despite the fact that some people here just seem to hate the police no matter what, it’s also important to be able to investigate on the web.

One day, these people could be the victim of someone and they would be probably really happy if there was a way to catch these criminals.

That being said I don’t know what the perfect balance is and I’m trying to be open minded about it.

[–] imkj@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm actually interested to hear what you think is the right balance. I'm personally of the conviction that the public's privacy trumps the needs of law enforcement. Where does the balance lie, for you?

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t know what the right balance would be.

I think I’d trust my government and my police (which I work for) enough to have a lot more cameras in the streets. But I wouldn’t want that to happen in a totalitarian country.

Personally, I wouldn’t want my devices to be scanned by whatever program, but I wouldn’t mind if what was coming in and out of my computer was scanned to prevent organized crime in a certain way.

But only because to communicate I’m using installations which don’t belong to me, but to the phone company.

[–] archiotterpup@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Ah, but as a citizen who doesn't trust the police or the government even without a dictator. Cops lie all the time, on camera, here. Thankfully everyone sees why this is a gross invasion of privacy.

[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Would you be in favor of mandatory explosive implants in the brain that can only be activated by police? Consider all the crimes that could be stopped dead on their tracks.

[–] Elohim@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

“Some governments.” Government is corruption. How much varies, but if given leeway they all go the same direction.

That’s you, by the way—the hand of corruption. Respectfully.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago

Scanning everyone's photos is a clear invasion of user privacy.

Not scanning everyone's photos means people retain privacy, and bad actors may then have content that we, as a society, agree they should not have.

These two things are at odds, so any solution is a compromise (or at least, a choice of one thing over another), and either will always be controversial. It's not just photo scanning that falls into this, but also things like VPN usage -- really, virtually anything that lets users retain privacy could also be used for nefarious purposes.

Personally, I don't want to live in a world where everyone's photos are scanned, because I am vehemently opposed to that level of surveillance and believe it would lead to profit motives (e.g. better ad targeting). I do hope there is another way to curb CSAM content, but ultimately I don't see mass surveillance as viable.

[–] malloc@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nonpaywall version: https://archive.ph/udnOc

[–] Venomnik0@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you!

[–] Zummy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This outrage is going to be had by several people who want protection of children who had monsters do a terrible thing to them and who exacerbated the situation by uploading it to the cloud, which makes sharing it easier. However, these people aren’t seeing the bigger implications of this. I don’t really think many of the people that are against CSAM scanning are against protection for children or prevention of the very thing this is designed to prevent, myself included. However, what people are against is the scanning of material on your phone (which is what Apple proposed). People don’t want pictures scanned on their phones, even if it’s only as those photos will be uploaded to the cloud. Several companies were doing the scanning after the content was placed on the cloud, which many people against the previously mentioned scanning were in favor of. Apple, who is not in favor of scanning of your cloud data, was against this, which I think is admirable.

The fact of the matter is that scanning data for any purpose is at odds with the protection of your privacy. I, for one, am in favor of privacy protection. And although at times it may seem like people are against things like the protection for children, the fact is we’re actually in favor of protection for everyone.