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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use mailbox.org its pretty sweet

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[–] ziproot@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Server locations: Riseup is in the US (Washington state), so keep that in mind. Disroot is in the Netherlands (part of the EU).

Governance: Riseup: Look at their β€œabout us” page. Disroot: Look at their β€œabout” page. The terms of service are more detailed. tl;dr: As far as I can tell, these are run by leftists.

Integrity/Transparency: I have no idea how to grade this.

Ease of Use: Subjective. Riseup VPN is just: install the client, turn it on or off. Disroot is much better with a mail client of some kind, so if you already use one, it’s probably a 10, otherwise, the webmail server isn’t that great. Disroot also requries manual encryption (I’m biased here because I use Kmail which makes PGP really easy to use).

Pricing and Links: Free https://riseup.net/en/vpn https://disroot.org/en/services/email

tl;dr: Use collective-run services, not corporate-run services

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've been very happy with disroot.org, but you have to do your own encryption (I use Thunderbird).

I think I pay $10 per year for 5 GB, but they have a free plan.

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[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Thank fuck I didn't get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

[–] bpev@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yo so question for y'alls: what's your opinion on using custom domain (for portability) vs masked emails?

Rn I have my main emails on my personal domain, and then I have masked emails going through xxx@fastmail.com for more anonymity + segmenting (err i mean just being able to disable a certain address individually) . But watching all this reminded me that if I decided to move away from fastmail, i'm much more locked-in this way. Do y'alls use a custom domain for masked email as well? The one thing I don't like about that is that it'd be so easy to connect multiple accounts based on domain, so anonymity is probably kinda broken.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I use a custom domain for basically all emails since I care more about portability than anonymity. Each account gets its own address, and if a site gets hacked and I start getting spam then I know which one it was. If I really wanted anonymity for something then I would use a randomly generated masked email.

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[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been doing research into this because I want to degoogle. Looking for hosted and secure Mail, Calendar, Drive... maybe docs if possible. I don't mind paying as long as I'm a customer and not a product to be sold.

My short list was: Mailbox.org, Zoho, and Notion.

Then there are the services I don't understand as much because I don't really want to self host or step into server maintenance... NextCloud, OwnCloud, LibreCloud, OnlyOffice. Maybe someone could straighten me out with those if I'm off base.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

[–] tomatol@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Immich if you want really good photo backup. Nextcloud if you want a full Drive replacement

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

Seriously? You're going to question people on loyalty when they find out the person in charge of not selling their data to the highest bidder is an oligarch wanna-be?

Hell yes. If you give me red flags in how a company I need to ultimately trust is run/staffed, I will find a better solution.

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[–] lazzerot@startrek.website 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Protonmail has been my main email provider for the past 7 years, and unless its CEO decides to sell it to Trump or Musk I honestly don't see how his stupid private or not so private opinions are worth the hassle of changing my email for the million things I use my main and all the other emails I registered with Protonmail.
Most rich people have very dubious or outright awful political opinions and unless you're rich enough to have someone build you an alternative or deconnected enough from society/only exist in programmer circles and are able to live entirely on FOSS software I don't see why the average user should care about the CEO's political stance. Maybe that's my ignorant opinion as a European, but would you stop using Linux if you found out Linus Torvalds secretly loves Windows? Probably not.

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