You can sell me on Piefed without trying to cancel Lemmy out of nowhere.

How does it compare to mbin as a Lemmy alternative?

"Stranglehold" lmao. They invented the threadiverse and they are welcoming other implementations like mbin and piefed. That's the opposite of a stranglehold.

Go cancel yourself

What the fuck are you talking about Jesse?

Why cancel lemmy? it ain't perfect, but it's not a bad platform.

I've always thought it was really weird and really dumb sentiment to want to cancel Lemmy, as an Open source software. It's like people think they need to endorse the developers' views to use Lemmy, or pay them money to use the software. But like that's really dumb. Lemmy is free and opensource software, the developers have no say in who uses it, it's also opensource meaning anyone can fork it. So this position just seems weird and reactionary.

One thing that really makes me reluctant about the future of piefed is the fact that it runs on Python. Great for tinkering but it likely won't scale well, and Python is famous for breaking backwards compatibility. So expect this project to be hosed when Python 4 or 5 comes out and breaks compatibility or syntax with the previous version. I saw this happen with Kodi and other platforms with Python Based plugins, and it'll most definitely happen again, not to say it can't happen with something like Rust or Go, but these compiled languages are designed for big projects, python is just one-off scripts, so the ones maintaining languages like Rust, Go, C++ work a bit harder to keep them as functionally compatible as possible so big projects aren't crippled and trashed by an update.

Anyway that's my opinion on this whole thing, I don't believe Piefed is the future, and I do not think Instance Admins should jump at the chance to abandon Lemmy. Maybe for sublinks if it ever comes out, but not for piefed.

I like Piefed, it's my daily driver, but cancelling Lemmy is probably too much.

The majority of people still haven't moved from !privacy@lemmy.ml (!privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) or !linux@lemmy.ml (!linux@programming.dev ), so trying to get them to switch platform based on "cancelling" isn't productive.

If you want to advocate for your platform, explain what features Piefed has compared to Lemmy (https://join.piefed.social/features/) instead.

there is nothing wrong with lemmy.

I just moved my instance over to PieFed on the weekend.

If anyone is looking for a smaller PieFed instance away from the bigger players, we'd love to have you here at quokk.au.

Fwiw, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I for one am extremely happy to see PieFed flourish, and one of my chief reasons to move to it 8 months ago was specifically to block lemmy.ml.

That said, I have no desire to "cancel" anyone at all - and the Lemmy devs are worthy of respect for their accomplishments, even as they also deserve some criticisms for the way that they run their instance.

I love how the future allows PieFed and Lemmy - and Mbin, nodebb, flarum, friendica, mastodon, pixelfed, etc. - to exist altogether in the Fediverse, without needing any of the others to die out. I even maintain accounts on both PieFed and Lemmy instances, as each currently offers features that the other lacks.

(also, if some of the lemmy instances were to be cancelled, then all of their users would come over to here... think about that for a moment, is that a desirable outcome to you? :-P)

My thought is that Piefed is too eager to curate my experience and too heavily promoted of late to be believably organic

It reeks of an organized, astroturfed attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse.

Did...did you start a lemmy community for people to talk about not talking on lemmy...on lemmy?

Features

Nice things about PieFed:

• Written in a common programming language that many developers understand and which has a bright future ahead of it. Python, of course! This will enable more contributions from a wider range of people than if it was made with Erlang, Ruby, Rust or PHP, for example.
• Constructed in a simple and straightforward manner that new contributors can come to grips with quickly. No fancy algorithms, special design patterns, fragile build process, or front-end framework. Just Flask with sprinklings of vanilla JS and htmx.
• Keep third party dependencies to an absolute minimum, to make server administration easier. Python + database (PostgreSQL) and you’re good to go! Redis optional.
• Consume few resources, to make it cheap to run. Many examples of federated software are bloated Rube Goldberg machines that require hefty servers and serious server administration skills, making money a constant problem. PieFed instances will be small and nimble.
• Emphasise trust, safety and happiness, drawing inspiration from the Mastodon Covenant.
• Built to last using tried and true technology that will still work decades from now.

Differences between Lemmy and PieFed

• Comments with -10 score are collapsed by default.
• Communities are organized into topics. See https://piefed.social/topics.
• Image-heavy communities can have a tiled/masonry view, like https://piefed.social/c/pics@lemmy.world
• People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.
• Hide all posts based on keyword filters.
• Keyboard shortcuts.
• Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.
• Better UI design (somewhat subjective!)
• Improved hotness ranking algorithm (subjective)
• Voting is private.
• See also features for healthy communities.
• Each community has it’s own wiki.

Mastodon Covenant & "safe spaces" are overmoderated trash. Features for healthy communities consist of Reddity moderation tactics.

Heavy handed moderation is the main reason Reddit disgusts me, so no thanks, & fuck that shit.