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You might not even like rsync. Yeah it's old. Yeah it's slow. But if you're working with Linux you're going to need to know it.

In this video I walk through my favorite everyday flags for rsync.

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Here's a companion blog post, where I cover a bit more detail: https://vkc.sh/everyday-rsync

Also, @BreadOnPenguins made an awesome rsync video and you should check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifQI5uD6VQ

Lastly, I left out all of the ssh setup stuff because I made a video about that and the blog post goes into a smidge more detail. If you want to see a video covering the basics of using SSH, I made one a few years ago and it's still pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FKsdbjzBcc

Chapters:
1:18 Invoking rsync
4:05 The --delete flag for rsync
5:30 Compression flag: -z
6:02 Using tmux and rsync together
6:30 but Veronica... why not use (insert shiny object here)

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That part threw me off. Last time i used it, I did incremental backups of a 500 gig disk once a week or so, and it took 20 seconds max.

[–] Biscuit@ani.social 4 points 1 week ago

Yes but imagine.. 18 seconds.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Compared to something multi threaded, yes. But there are obviously a number of bottlenecks that might diminish the gains of a multi threaded program.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

With xargs everything is multithreaded.

[–] clif@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I'll never not upvote Veronica Explains. Excellent creator and excellent info on everything I've seen.

[–] probable_possum@leminal.space 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

rsnapshot is a script for the purpose of repeatedly creating deduplicated copies (hardlinks) for one or more directories. You can chose how many hourly, daily, weekly,... copies you'd like to keep and it removes outdated copies automatically. It wraps rsync and ssh (public key auth) which need to be configured before.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hardlinks need to be on the same filesystem, don't they? I don't see how that would work with a remote backup...?

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The hard links aren’t between the source and backup, they’re between Friday’s backup and Saturday’s backup

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[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I was planning to use rsync to ship several TB of stuff from my old NAS to my new one soon. Since we're already talking about rsync, I guess I may as well ask if this is right way to go?

[–] Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I couldn't tell you if it's the right way but I used it on my Rpi4 to sync 4tb of stuff from my Plex drive to a backup and set a script up to have it check/mirror daily. Took a day and a half to copy and now it syncs in minutes tops when there's new data

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yes, it's the right way to go.

rsync over ssh is the best, and works as long as rsync is installed on both systems.

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It depends

rsync is fine, but to clarify a little further...

If you think you'll stop the transfer and want it to resume (and some data might have changed), then yep, rsync is best.

But, if you're just doing a 1-off bulk transfer in a single run, then you could use other tools like xcopy / scp or - if you've mounted the remote NAS at a local mount point - just plain old cp

The reason for that is that rsync has to work out what's at the other end for each file, so it's doing some back & forwards communications each time which as someone else pointed out can load the CPU and reduce throughput.

(From memory, I think Raspberry Pi don't handle large transfers over scp well... I seem to recall a buffer gets saturated and the throughput drops off after a minute or so)

Also, on a local network, there's probably no point in using encryption or compression options - esp. for photos / videos / music... you're just loading the CPU again to work out that it can't compress any further.

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 9 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Tangentially, I don’t see people talk about rclone a lot, which is like rsync for cloud storage.

It’s awesome for moving things from one provider to another, for example.

[–] davidvasandani@social.coop 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@calliope It’s also great for local or remote backups over ssh, smb, etc.

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The thing I hate most about rsync is that I always fumble to get the right syntax and flags.

This is a problem because once it’s working I never have to touch it ever again because it just works and keeping working. There’s not enough time to memorize the usage.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

I feel this too. I have a couple of "spells" that work wonders in a literal small notebook with other one liners over the years. Its my spell book lol.

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[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've been using borg because of the backend encryption and because the deduplication and snapshot features are really nice. It could be interesting to have cross-archive deduplication but maybe I can get something like that by reorganizing my backups. I do use rsync for mirroring and organizing downloads, but not really for backups. It's a synchronization program as the name implies, not really intended for backups.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Use borg/borgmatic for your backups. Use rsync to send your differentials to your secondary & offsite backup storage.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I need a breakdown like this for Rclone. I've got 1TB of OneDrive free and nothing to do with it.

I'd love to setup a home server and backup some stuff to it.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I use syncthing.

Is rsync better?

Syncthing works pretty well for me and my stable of Ubuntu, pi, Mac, and Windows

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I’m not super familiar with Syncthing, but judging by the name I’d say Syncthing is not at all meant for backups.

[–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Syncthing is technically to synchronize data across different devices in real time (which I do with my phone), but I also use it to transfer data weekly via wi-fi to my old 2013 laptop with a 500GB HDD and Linux Mint (I only boot it to transfer data, and even then I pause the transfers to this device when its done transferring stuff) so I can have larger data backups that wouldn't fit in my phone, since LocalSend is unreliable for large amounts of data while Synchting can resume the transfer if anything goes wrong. On top of that Syncthing also works in Windows and Android out of the box.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

its for a different purpose. I wouldn't use syncthing the way I use rsync

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Veeam for image/block based backups of Windows, Linux and VMs.
syncthing for syncing smaller files across devices.

Thank you very much.

[–] TheWilliamist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I still prefer tar for quick and dirty same box copies.

tar cf - * | (cd /target; tar xfp -)
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[–] tal@olio.cafe 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

slow

rsync is pretty fast, frankly. Once it's run once, if you have -a or -t passed, it'll synchronize mtimes. If the modification time and filesize matches, by default, rsync won't look at a file further, so subsequent runs will be pretty fast. You can't really beat that for speed unless you have some sort of monitoring system in place (like, filesystem-level support for identifying modifications).

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

yeah, more often than not I notice the bottleneck being the storage drive itself, not rsync.

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[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

I used to use rsnapshot, which is a thin wrapper around rsync to make it incremental, but moved to restic and never looked back. Much easier and encrypted by default.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think the there are better alternatives for backup like kopia and restic. Even seafile. Want protection against ransomware, storage compression, encryption, versioning, sync upon write and block deduplication.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 4 points 1 week ago

comparing seafile to rsync reminds me the old "Space Pen" folk tale.

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[–] portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Maybe I am missing something but how does it handle snapshots?

I use rsync all the time but only for moving data around effectively. But not for backups as it doesn't (AFAIK) hanld snapshots

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You get incremental backups (snapshots) by using

--link-dest=DIR         hardlink to files in DIR when unchanged

To use this you pass in the previous snapshot location as DIR and use a new destination directory for the current snapshot. This creates hard links in the new snapshot to the files which were unchanged from the previous snapshot, so only the new files are transferred, and there is no duplication of data on disk (for whole-file matches).

This does of course require that all of the snapshots exist in the same filesystem, since you cannot hard-link across filesystems.

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[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're trying to back up Windows OS drives for some reason, robocopy works quite similarly to rsync.

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[–] Xylight@lemdro.id 3 points 1 week ago

rsync for backups? I guess it depends on what kind of backup

for redundant backups of my data and configs that I still have a live copy of, I use restic, it compresses extremely well

I have used rsync to permanently move something to another drive though

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