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What is the NBA’s equivalent to “Can he do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke?” (alien.top)

submitted 1 year ago by elchico97@alien.top to c/nba@nba.space

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For those who aren’t familiar, british soccer commentator Andy Gray said this of Messi back in 2010/11, questioning whether Messi could dominate in tough conditions against a physical premier league club. It’s now a popular joke within the soccer and internet community.

For the NBA, is it “Can he do it after a night out in Miami?” “Can he do it on the second night of a back to back in Denver?” “Can he do it after the Lakers sent missed foul call video evidence to the league?” Something else?

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[–] kaceytronwhiteknight@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Lebron went through quite a few of these types of goalpost moving statements in his career

"Can he do it without Wade"

"Can he do it without a 'superteam' "

Pretty sure both Kobe and Shaq had the "can they do it without the other" which got even more play after Shaq won with Wade in 2006, before Kobe won 2 more in 2009 and 2010

I don't know if there's any stadium-specific versions of this because basketball is played indoors, but a lot of players have reverence for places like the Lakers and Knicks stadiums

There are NBA fans that say things like "Jordan never won without Phil Jackson" or "how good would x player be if they'd had Popovich as their head coach". Those are far more common and probably closer to the rainy night in Stoke.

In the NFL back in the early to mid 2000s it was "can you beat the Patriots in the cold"

Tom Brady also had the "can he do it without Belichick" thing for 20 years, then he won with the Buccaneers