The upgrade system was inferior and didn't even change the visuals of the guns, Columbia felt more like different setpieces then a real floating city, the AI of Elisabeth was laughable compared to games like The Last of Us and the whole combat felt dumb down, even when it was faster and still little bit of fun. But it was just inferior to the two other installments.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

AI of Elisabeth was laughable compared to games like The Last of Us

Having played both, I can't say I understand the differences here. Do you mind elaborating? I found Elisabeth a lot more helpful than Elie and to be honest, I can't remember Elie having any impact on my gameplay off the top of my head.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Having played both, I can’t say I understand the differences here. Do you mind elaborating? I found Elisabeth a lot more helpful than Elie and to be honest, I can’t remember Elie having any impact on my gameplay off the top of my head.

Quiet the opposite for me. Keep in mind I played it on the PS3 so its been a long time ago, but I remember that the enemys blatantly ignored her, that she did not fight at all and she constantly gave you ammo or health so it made the whole game pretty easy.

Elli on the other hand was really grounded in the gameplay, the animations, she fought back and also got attacked by the enemy. I just found her much more useful and real and I remember that I was quiet shocked about Elisabeth's basic AI in Infinite

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The enemies ignored both of them. Allegedly, anyway. I know when I played The Last of Us at launch, there were times that enemies saw me when I thought I was perfectly hidden while Ellie was out in the middle of no man's land. In both cases, the enemy AI ignored these other characters because A) escort missions have never been fun, and B) it slowly builds a reason for you, the player, to grow attached to these characters when they help you. You feel the resource deficit in Infinite when Ellie's not there to throw them to you. Both games did basically come up with the same gimmick in the same year.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The enemies ignored both of them.

I disagree to that. Ellie got permanently attacked by the AI, in Bioshock she is blatantly ignored.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Sure, Ellie got attacked in much the same way that professional wrestlers are in a fight. It wasn't really material to your success or survival.