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Combining pay with benefits as a single dollar amount is gibberish.
Why don't you list the actual hourly wage they're asking for?
The automakers combine benefits with wages to make the number seem much larger than it actually is, so the workers sound greedy.
Their current wages are around $20/hr. Calling that "$60/hr with benefits" is beyond misleading , it's fucking disgusting. You can't pay rent with benefits, fuck off.
Don't tone police me honey 🙄 when you side with the bosses you become my enemy. Don't be surprised when I treat you like one.
The demand is to increase the top hourly rate to $47 per hour - so use that number, not the numbers fed to you by the industry. That's what wages should be if they had kept up with productivity and inflation over the past several decades.
Then I'll tell you to fuck off and eat my ass as much as I want you fucking class traitor. If you act like an enemy you get treated like one.
Why the fuck are you trying to nickle-and-dime the workers? What's wrong with you?
No, what's wrong with the world is class traitors siding with the ruling class to suppress the workers.
Your boss is your enemy. Treat him like it.
Bigoted against... bosses? It's a class war honey, and the ruling class has been winning this war my entire life and are richer than ever.
The world needs less billionaires.
The billionaires are the ones reaping the profits you damn fool! The shareholders are the true boss of any publicly traded company and they are the enemy. CEOs are just figureheads.
You're a sniveling coward. You don't want to make the ruling class mad because you are afraid they'll take away the jobs, so instead you loyally serve them like a good little class traitor.
What the fuck? I will never be straight!
Continuing to post the exact same article, and parrot the same talking point, isn't exactly painting you in a good light. If you want discussion, try moving forward with it.
Sure, but in order to change the narrative, you need to move forward, saying the same thing over and over will result in the same responses, and get you where you are. I personally disagree with your points, but if you raise them in good faith, then you deserve to be heard. The key is "in good faith", if you're unwilling to accept you may be wrong, how can you expect others to?
Discussion is difficult on lemmy, but the only way to make it better is to keep trying.
Because the combined number is how much they're costing the company.
How many billions did each of those companies make last year?
Keep pushing and the jobs get relocated completely. This latest push is the union signing the death warrant for the area.
Relocated to where? You know they would have to build a new factory and train new employees, right? Who's going to make all the cars until then?
General Motors currently operates 4 production facilities in Mexico, as does Ford.
Stellantis has 7.
You're right, it'll take some time to shift completely, but this sort of push by the union is the kind of catalyst that can light a fire under execs to get it done.
What's cheaper, what the union is asking for or the cost of moving production? When those lines cross on the graph, the union is fucked.
So somehow they'll be able to ramp up production in those plants to match or even come near the output of American plants in addition to what they already make?
Why aren't they already doing that?
Who says they aren't? Here's one example:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/20/stellantis-has-discussed-moving-some-truck-assembly-to-mexico-uaw-says.html
Some truck assembly. Do you really think they have the ability and the factory space and staff and machinery to move all of it down there? Be serious.
Having been involved in plant shutting talks in the steel industry. You'd be shocked what companies are willing to do
I agree, that is what the oligarchy will try to do, so sending key manufacturing jobs overseas should be illegal and punished with seizure of assets and ownership of the plants redistributed to the workers.
They're the source of all the company's profits.
If it were enough, they wouldn't be striking. Or do you presume to know their circumstances? Surely you'd never think the 10 minutes you spent looking up sources gives you better insight than the voting body of the union members who are wagering their lives on this, right?
Frankly, since you are probably an empathetic, thinking individual, im confused how you came to the conclusion to share a thought so comparitively shallow.
EDIT: if people take the time to look at his history, he had none before this thread. His aim is to troll, so block him and move on with your lives
"benefits" is doing so much heavy lifting and contains so much bullshit there.
And?
You should celebrate average people getting paid more, not complaining about it
We don't need CEOs who do basically nothing getting paid tens/hundreds of millions a year
Less than the ceos make by far and they aren’t doing near the actual work
These laborers are the only reason the company has profits or products, I don’t get your point. They should get their share of the pie no matter what the dollar amount is.
Also, counting the cost of benefits isn’t a fair comparison, you can’t pay rent or buy bread with dental insurance.
People disagreeing with you is not toxic.