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Or just use Debian, if you really enjoy the sluggishness and shitty dependency management of APT.
Alternatively you could switch to Arch and the glory that is pacman (or, even better, yay).
...But that's none of my business.
For a main desktop, absolutely.
For low maintenance servers and vms? Staying with Debian.
For a laptop on which Arch gives issues (mine where with battery when standby). POP-OS has been working well.
No, that's fair. I wouldn't recommend Arch for server use. Debian has its place, and I respect that.
FIGHT ME BITCH
i actually use Debian, but your tone here cannot be tolerated. I challenge you to a duel.
You... challenge me to a duel because you're into Debian and I recognize its superiority?
Noβbecause you're being reasonable and nonpartisan.
Aww, shit.
I thoroughly enjoyed this exchange. Thank you internet strangers
excuse me i came here for a fight
My home server runs OpenSUSE Leap and I've quite enjoyed it.
Yeah. I use Arch on my gaming PC. But on my laptop-converted-to-a-NAS I use OpenMediaVault (Which is Debian based)
The server software world is debian based. Fortunately/unfortunately.
Horses for courses, desktop and server OS's should have different priorities and approaches.
There are 2 wolves inside you.
One uses the yay and can install anything from AUR.
The other can install propreitery .deb packages your university vpn comes in to submit homeworks.
There is a crow pulling both wolves by the tail called "bedrock linux" that can install packages using both apt and aur.
The crow is the most dangerous.
Bedrock Linux requires you to change distro.
Let me introduce you to distrobox. It containerizes the distro of choice, and allows you to install any software of any distro, without messing any system files.
Regarding the VPN case though, I haven't tested it, but I would rather install any kind of proprietary software inside a VM. Steam may be an exception.
Oh god... what happens when they both try to pull the same library as a dependency, but slightly different versions because different repos?
You can just make an AUR package that downloads and installs the .deb
Technically you can actually install Apt onto Arch Linux. (don't)
Debtap ftw
Or just switch to Nix and finally witness some actually good package manager.
Yeah, but I need to be able to actually do shit. Preferably in finite amounts of time.
The Nix package manager can be installed on most distros.
Keep in mind though:
Yep, I use it everywhere, that's why I said Nix and not NixOS. I even use it on the company Windows machine inside WSL.
Look at me I am running a package management system with atomic upgrades that can roll back, and indubitable sounds positively fabulous.
which memeNo, thanks. I like my distro not to break with updates ever. Arch breaks stuff every few months at least. I know cause I have used it. Also I prefer to just have fewer updates in general.
Paru is a rust rewrite(ish) of yay and therefor even even betterer
Edit: uncorrecting autocorrect
File based package review and automatic git tracking + merge of local PKGBUILD changes are pretty attractive features. I'll give it a try.
Currently trying CachyOS KDE, so far it's decent but... I still have no idea where the flathub repository is supposed to be managed from (yes, Ive seen the wiki, no, it's not where it says it should be) and the app store was a lot friendlier on Fedora KDE.
Things run better here and things that didn't run on Fedora, actually run on Cachy so that's a reason to be less angry at myself. I just have to test Xlink Kai, mumble server and ZeroTier to see if they work.
Tbf, you can always run arch in distrobox and just use the AUR from there if you prefer fedora. I personally do though with gnome.
It's not that I prefer Fedora (so far I'm liking CachyOS better), it's that Cachy could be better/friendlier and I hope it does.
apt's dependency management is shit?
@protogen420 @xxce2AAb sure
https://github.com/FWGS/xash3d-fwgs/issues/1828#issuecomment-2415131759