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[Discussion] What are your hot takes or opinions you haven't yet posted for fear of downvoting? (alien.top)

submitted 1 year ago by jewami@alien.top to c/watches@style.land

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In a post from a few days ago, I noticed that someone mentioned that they were afraid to post about their dislike of the Tudor BB58 for fear of downvoting. You know what? The BB is a boring watch that's not worth the money, and Tudor wouldn't be half as popular as it is without the connection to Rolex. If Rolexes were as attainable as they were in past years, cut that by a factor of 10. Would you really buy a BB if the reality were that you could just save a little bit more and get a Rolex Submariner? That's my hot take. What's yours?

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[–] AnMuricanPrayer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Every passing day I respect Jody/Just One More Watch less because of how much bootlicking he does for the Aliexpress brands. I don't necessarily hate brands like San Martin and Pagani Design on their own, but how much he insinuates that you'd be better off with Ali brands' (admittedly very well made and affordable) copies over the genuine article doesn't sit right with me for some reason. While Jody is right from a completely logical and financial perspective, I don't think he realizes that collecting watches is kinda illogical in of itself. People who can afford them WANT expensive watches because it makes them feel special and cool, and getting something that merely apes the look of a desirable watch when they could afford the real thing simply doesn't do it for a lot of people.

For example, he straight up says in his most recent 11/11 video that you'd be better off with an Aliexpress copy of a Doxa than an actual Sub 300 because he couldn't discern how the real thing would be any better. Given Doxa's reputation for making capable, well-crafted diver's watches that were able to stand up to the rigors of military operations, I sincerely doubt this. I also find it very hard to believe his claim that San Martin will become a legitimate threat to other affordable brands' sales, especially when 1. San Martin's sales are practically dwarfed by how many mall watches Seiko and Citizen sell, and 2. Their whole shtick and success is inherently contingent on either copying other people's homework, or otherwise producing original designs that range from generic to gaudy.

I respect Jody and like his content, and I don't mind his and many other people's affection for the Ali brands, but I have a hard time believing that some tried and true watch brands are shitting their panties because some niche hobbyists are buying homages of their watches.

[–] Dark1000@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

That's a good hot take, but one I completely disagree with.

Most "watch YouTubers" completely ignore the existence of Chinese brands, even when they produce original designs. Jody, and a few others that are doing the same thing, shine a light on an area that is totally ignored and unknown by the broader market. He provides product reviews for watches that you can't see in person and are the most attainable for people. Most people can't afford or don't want to pay more than an AliExpress price for a watch, especially if you think globally. Jody is providing a valuable service.

Also, Doxa is basically a fake Swiss company that makes Chinese watches. The AliExpress versions are pretty much the same thing. Doxa just owns the IP for the designs and brand, which they bought after the original company went belly up. It doesn't have anything to do with the original Doxa. There are many companies like it.

[–] ServiceGames@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a couple of quick things (not downvoting or trying to start anything).

Jody’s channel focuses on watches that are $500 or under (even he’s said this before). Does he occasionally show or review watches that are more than $500? Yes. Does he own watches more than $500? Yes. But, the vast majority of affordable watches that’ll allow him to continue making enough videos to be a professional YouTuber are going to be Chinese… and they are very easily available on AliExpress.
Second point and maybe a hit take, his first watch from his own watch brand is horrible IMHO. He feels divers are the end all, be all of versatile watches. They simply aren’t (again, IMHO). I honestly think a GADA watch would have been a better idea for his first watch.

[–] AnMuricanPrayer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It is true that most of Jody's reviews are on sub-$500 watches, which is exactly where the Aliexpress brands reign supreme. My issue with Jody is not merely him reviewing them; it's more a conflict of interest. Coming from a journalism background, I find it interesting that Jody is an Aliexpress affiliate that explicitly makes money off people buying watches via the links in his videos' descriptions, while simultaneously showering praise upon the Aliexpress brands. While I've heard mostly good things about the popular Ali brands, I feel like Jody's reviews in particular are indicative of him drinking the Kool Aid. It makes sense for him to be as positive as possible about Aliexpress watches in particular, because the more viewers he convinces to buy San Martins, the bigger the commission he gets. While Jody's reviews are usually nuanced and well-considered, I can't help but put two and two together when he says he's an Aliexpress affiliate and that a Seestern is objectively better than a Doxa in the same video.

[–] DXPetti@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I like Jody but I'm very very intrigued to see where his channel goes after launching his own watch brand.

I think there is a distinct difference to content creators who have insight into what it takes to build a watch, both micro and mainstream than those who don't.