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Most people are not asking to "get rid of guns." Most people are asking for restrictions that keep people safe, not least our school children, and a ban on military-style weapons like AR-15s. That's not unreasonable nor impossible.
The difficult problem is the ones who decide to do bad things with guns, don't exactly have much respect for the law. Pass whatever restrictions you want, if someone wants to shoot anyone badly enough, they will find a way.
But that's not really a good reason to not have regulations. "People are going to steal your shit if they want to badly enough" does not mean theft shouldn't be a crime.
Sure, they may find a way, but if it's harder to find that way, there's a chance they'll either change their minds or use a tool that's less lethal and will kill fewer.
The US has a unique problem in the Western world, and what sticks out is access to weapons.
Yeah, I'd call AR-15s military style. It's ok if you don't. No matter what you call them, it's idiotic that random people run around with them.
I consider semi-automatic and automatic firearms to be military style.
By "random" I just mean anyone who can pass a background check. The easy access to weapons is what stands out in American society when it comes to gun violence.
You can try to twist my words as much as you want. Nothing new there. All I'm doing is calling for a ban on any weapon that's designed to kill as many people as possible in as little time as possible.
"Twisting your words" (which didnt hapoen) then you go and use sophist goalpost moving.
Nice.
You claim that no one is asking to get rid of guns, and then call for a ban on an entire class of firearms (and a vague one, "military-style weapons", which is intentionally vague and demonstrates a lack of knowledge of firearms).
Make a decision please.
The 2nd Amendment was not written with AR-15s or any other military-style weapons in mind. A full ban on those weapons is reasonable and possible.
With that logic, the 1st amendment doesn't apply to the internet, phones, television, photos, or video.
Your understanding of the second amendment (and firearms in general) is flawed, and any attempt to disarm the working class shall be frustrated. It will not happen. A ban on rifles is not reasonable, it is class warfare.
It's also an attack on disabled and women.
It's not flawed. Your understanding is flawed. You live in fear. Don't live in fear.
I don't live in fear. I hope to never have to use my tools, no matter what they are. But just how I need my socket set when my car breaks down, I have my firearms if I need to defend myself or my loved ones.
You must be living in fear of something since you feel the need to be armed all the time. What are you afraid of?
Do I live in fear of sealed boxes if I carry a pocket knife?
I wonder if a pocket knife could kill 60 people and wound more than 400 from a hotel room in Las Vegas...
Hahahaha.
Yet more ignorance.
You could own canons when it was written, and fully automatic weapons already existed.
It was written with exactly the change in tech in mind, and if you had bothered to educate yourself (by reading things like Federalist Papers or the Adams-Jefferson letters) you'd know this. But you'd rather operate from ideology and hubris.
This is such a clown argument. Canons cannot be used to kill 60 people and wound more than 400 from a hotel room in Las Vegas. Get real!
Hahahahaah. Thanks for the chuckle!
What are you, 12? As usual, you gun nuts have no real arguments.
Ah, yes, sophistry. Nice.
Semi-automatic and automatic.
So? My point still stands. It's designed to kill as fast as possible. It should be banned.
I will always take the side of our school children and a safe society over guns. More guns do not create safety, they exacerbate violence. Most other developed countries do not have this kind of violence, and they do not have the easy access to weapons designed to kill as many as possible as fast as possible.
I'm calling for any weapon that's designed to kill as many people as possible in as little time as possible to be banned.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a complete repeal of the 2nd Amendment, but knowing that's a ways out, I'm just going to call for a ban on weapons specifically designed to kill as many people as possible in as little time as possible. And, no, that's absolutely not 99 percent of all weapons.
IMO a more robust mental and other healthcare system and social services would go a lot farther in preventing these kinds of things. Identifying and fixing/containing the people that are so deranged that they would kill others would stop most killings and the kinds of things that lead up to it. Most of the gun crime is a symptom of a much larger problem of people with little to no support lashing out.
You think Americans are just that much more mentally ill than people in every other developed country on earth? Of course not. The one thing that stands out in the US is easy access to weapons.
Yes I do but that's beside the point. The vast majority of gun owners never do anything criminal with them. It's people with mental health problems who snap or criminals who're using them to perpetrate other crimes (many of whom would probably not be criminals if they had proper social support.
Countries with strict gun control haven't solved the root of the problem. People can still be dangerous without guns and if we can't trust someone to own a gun we really shouldn't trust them to have free reign to interact with society without supervision either.
Every gun shoots lead all the same. It doesn't matter what "style" it is.
So it shouldn't matter if people are only allowed to own black powder muskets then, right?
I though we were switching over to environmentally friendly tungsten?
Then banning some of them should pose no problem for gun enthusiasts.
Some weapons, including AR-15s, are specifically designed to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. Makes a big difference.