Soda is a real money maker too in fast food. That 32oz drink you are paying $2+ for only costs the restaurant 8-10c? And most of that is the cup.
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I know gas stations are a 300% mark up on fountain pop. At least thats what it was back when i worked in one like 15 years ago.
Which is what the beverage companies were afraid of so here in Washington they spent millions lobbying and lying to get it banned from happening outside Seattle.
That ad campaign pissed me off so much. I was even more disappointed when the people here fell for it. I thought we were smarter than those damn companies, but no.
It was eye opening the first time we flew to Europe. The first convenience store sold few sodas, mostly different types of water. And the soda they did sell was more expensive.
We tried an orange soda. It was less sweet and tasted far better.
Orange soda is odd in Europe. In Europe depending on region has a varying percentage of real orange juice. In the US its 0% juice naturally
And then there is the Fanta origin story.
In the US, if you want that, you have to get Orangina. Not a fan, personally. It's fizzy, watered-down orange juice.
And it has an unfortunate name, to boot.
In the Netherlands bottles of water and soda cost pretty much the same. Unless you specifically ask for tap water in a restaurant, then it's generally free.
Grape juice is my favourite, especially the fermented one. A bottle of decent one is about $5-10 in a supermarket in Spain.
Orange Fanta is made with real sugar over there and less food coloring it seemed
“Basic economics still works, more at 11”
Except when it conflicts with one of my beliefs, in which case economics is wrong and should feel bad, actually
A claim the beverage industry disputes.
I mean, if they really believed the sales wouldn't drop, why did they complain?
They know sales will drop. They're blatantly lying and getting away with it.
So the 33% poorest people can no longer enjoy it. That tracks.
Did we really need a study to prove supply and demand still works?
The supply and demand curve is about how those two determine the price. With the tax, we are talking about the price "controls" affecting the demand, not the other way around.
And, additionally, even if we think the outcome should be obvious, it's always important to do a structured objective analysis to see if that was actually the case because, if it wasn't, it's time to revisit the theory or figure out what went wrong.
you can model the tax on the supply or the demand. in most simple models the outcome is the same
Maybe you can, that would make sense. But it's really neither supply nor demand, so it's just forcing it into the model, which you've now made more complicated and no longer the simple curve that the op was suggesting it is.
The argument would presumably be that demand is highly price-inelastic. Which seems ludicrous to me for soft drinks, but you could try making the argument if it was in your interest to do so.
I have type 2 diabetes so make my own with club soda, lemon and lime juice, sweetened with stevia. Tastes pretty good and keeps my blood sugar in check.
Over here a 16 oz bottle of soda can be close to $4. I’d rather buy 64 oz bottles of juice on sale for $5 or less and water it down.
I'm more curious about how it affects the sale of other drinks and foods.
Do fast food sales drop because of the increased cost of their primary drink options? Do people turn to water as an alternative or do they fill the hole with another option like alcohol, tea, or coffee?
Soda at fast food is already triple the price though.
I have cut my soda down to once or twice per week, but I still do enjoy it.
Sociatal health in the US would improve a lot if restaurants would drop the free refills.
I encourage everyone who likes sugary soda to at least try flavoured sparkling water. Personally I have replaced nearly all my soda intake with it, and the fruit flavored ones are surprisingly sweet without any sugar or artificial sweetener, and I imagine are way healthier than even diet soda. If you find that you like it, getting a sparkling water machine like a Soda Stream is also more environmentally friendly and more cost effective if you drink a lot of it as well.
I like both but they definitely aren't interchangeable for me.
When I want a seltzer that's what I want and a coke is too sweet.
When I want a coke, the seltzer isn't sweet enough.
That being said, one of the few healthy changes I made and stuck with was after making my most recent move 6 years ago, I just didn't buy 2L bottles of soda to keep in stock in the fridge.
Didn't boycott them, didn't avoid them in restaurants or convenience stores, and I still keep a few baby cans as mixers in the bar at my apartment, but in that list of things you just get when you run low to keep a stock...I just kinda took soda off that list.
Found that I only really missed it a few times a year, and if I was really craving it, I could go get a little can from the bar...but just that one small change probably cut my soda consumption by like 85% and I barely miss it.
So do 100% orange juice/grape juice have the same taxes? Because these are just as sugary, if not more so, than soda. Sugar is sugar, doesn't matter the source. If they're not taxed the exact same way as soda, then this is a bullshit tax that shouldn't survive a challenge in court.
I'm not a fan of juice for the reasons you point out. But soda provides pretty much no nutritional value, it's just pure sugar. At least with juice you get some other nutritional benefits. . .although, you should obviously get that from eating it and not drinking it.
But I think the tax laws are, generally speaking, if they don't include juices, are for drinks with added sugar/sweeteners which would exempt 100% juice. This would probably pretty easily hold up in court.
It is my political opinion that milk, water, tea (practically water), and vodka are the only beverages fit for human consumption. There’s an argument to be made for certain juices, but it can be safely ignored as Dole propaganda. You only get the two sets of teeth, all.
It's my political opinion that milk should only be consumed if it comes from a consenting adult.
How do I get consent from an adult cow?
That's the neat part, you don't.
"No sweets for the poor, fuck you."
Thanks for deciding what's good for me government, and not the cool way by making HFCS be replaced with real sugar at the manufacturer level, just the way that sucks for me. 'Preciate it.
What if I don't want to be healthy? Why must the government punish me? If behavior is to be corrected by law, correct the companies not the people.
If one's goals are say, maximize freedom and fairness/equality/equity for humans and minimize harm from sugary drinks, it makes more to ban the advertising of these unhealthy foods rather than make them more difficult to procure for those with less money.
So some other person can come behind you and say, "what if I want to know about different ways I can be unhealthy!?"
Give me a break. Government ends up footing the bill for the outcomes of these decisions. We can either tax the people making these decisions to pay for it, or tax everyone to pay for it. The latter just means people who don't engagie in the behavior subsidize the people who do.
Tax unhealthy foods, make (actually) healthy food tax free. And not food that some marketing shitbag slaps a name like "healthy choice" on. Actually healthy food.
Use that tax money to subsidize the production & distribution of healthy food, especially to eliminate food deserts. This will lower the cost to the government of dealing with the consequences of unhealthy foods.
So, I'm in favour of sugar taxes, but lots of studies have found that healthy people actually cost more in the long run, because they actually live into their old age where they start costing a shit ton. For the most part unhealthy people just end up dying young.
Can you share the studies you base your argument on? Those who live longer might also pay more tax, so it's not a clear cut for me.