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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Apologies if someone is offended by the following. It's not meant as an offense, but a professional opinion about design and Implementation.

This is a really good example of absolutely not keeping it simple and utilizing so many dependencies you'd need to monitor to be sure your solution works that the overall design is just plain bad.

If you ever implement something and get caught in so many things, take a step back and think about how your goal could be achieved in a much simpler way or even if your requirements are that important in the first place.

Anyhow. 5c from a tech guy.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

Customers problem in a few years, not mine – is the mindset of these companies. They do it this way, because hooking up to cloud service X is cheaper to impement.

[–] ian@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. Sadly you often don't get any choice. Especially if you are not an IT pro. The whole digital landscape for users is a disaster. With separate silos, incompatible formats, information loss and slow, manual effort with no overview. This is caused by big business land grabs and the total lack of information standards. A shameful state of IT to have in 2026.

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[–] GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

same reactions on hackernews

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 weeks ago

Here's a simpler solution:

Wire an electric dinger to a power source via a momentary off-on switch, and have the button activate it when pushed.

It was already solved, it needed not be over-engineered to hell and back.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My doorbell is a button that completes a circuit. Still works.

[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes but I’m sure you need at least 5 different Volts for it to work.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Only 1. Standard 70s tech.

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OP's purpose was video security, not doorbells. People pushing the button instead of knocking was an unintentional consequence.

Your 70s doorbell is not helpful.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

My doorbell is a sign that says "Knock", because my 70's doorbell is broken. It requires 0 cloud services to fix the problem of people pressing an unhelpful button.

[EDIT] To people downvoting this, did you read the article? Specifically, this part:

"Before we had the doorbell, people just knocked on the front door. But now, people would notice the doorbell and ring it instead. This would send a notification to our phones, and then it would also helpfully play a sound on the doorbell itself… outside the door… which we could not hear."

He then goes on a tech bodgeathon to fix the button, instead of just placing a sing that says "Knock" to go back to the thing that worked before.

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[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 31 points 1 month ago

Thankfully, it takes still zero cloud services to make my breakfast, ride my bike, and open my door.

And you can bet on that I'll keep it that way.

[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My doorbell is a raspberry pi that uses webhooks to send me messages on my privately hosted chat server and also rings a physical bell built in 1900. Do I win for the most simple high tech doorbell?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So you can ring your doorbell if you're in vacation on the other side of the globe?

[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, with curl because I have OliveTin setup to accept requests to ring the bell from other pis or myself if I feel the need via the web GUI.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Oh that's a silly question. Why not?

The honest answer is in the US all doorbells are powered by simple 24VAC transformers that burn 6–7 watts just being powered up, forever, for decades. This annoyed me plus I wanted a fun bell so I wired up a pi to use a modern, efficient 24VDC power supy to ring the bell and it gets turned on by the pi only when its needed so now my idle wattage is more like 0.25W.

[–] arran4@aussie.zone 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know we can roll back the internet a bit.. Let's keep the speed and the unlimited traffic but drop the "always on" and give people "mobile internet hours" for their phone? :P

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

sure but how will we get our propaganda beamed to us 24/7?

[–] arran4@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

You will have to get it in a digest and ration it throughout the day

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or you could just get a dog and never miss someone at the door again.

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This was great at first, but ten years in their hearing has gone. They'll sleep through me yelling at the top of my lungs now.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago

Has the dogs cloud service gone offline?

[–] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So instead of the video doorbell, use a simple camera. Then people knock on the door and you still have security footage without all the nonsense.

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[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

In related topics, I'm still peeved that my freezer, unlike my camera, needs to do a full back-and-forth trip (in this case to Samsung's SmartThings servers) just to notify my Home Assistant server that the door was left open.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It does, and as a matter of fact I was unaware that it had automation support until after I read the manual. But I like to keep statistics on my devices, and I'm not exactly happy about losing them when Samsung or SmartThings decide to pull the plug. Hopefully I manage to patch some alternate firmware somehow by then.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, it should definitely not need to talk to Samsung to share basic information with your homeassistant

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I agree with that, it's ridiculous that a known standard still depends on a centralized server

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At least it CAN notify. I've got a zigbee door sensor glued to the side of the freezer and the door!

[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My fridge is tilted back a very small amount so the door closes on it's own.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

This is technology I can get behind. How many tokens does a closure take on average?

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would you even buy that? Nothing seems more dumb than a smart fridge.

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Again, I was unaware my freezer even had online capabilities until after I had it installed at home and read the manual.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I didn't see that part. But then you hooked it up anyways?

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just connect an ESP32 to the door switch and use that to notify your HA server.

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder how expensive would it be to import one of those. The system is also able to track and adjust temperature, so a simple ESP32 wouldn't be enough to replace that circuitry

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

The ESP32 wouldn't be able to adjust settings without a lot of hacking, but it wouldn't be hard to add a temperature sensor so it could monitor that.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was tempted to run PoE to the other side of the wall where my server is. A doorbell that could do it all locally on my server.

Then I thought "fuck it" and bolted an antique brass bell there instead. At least you know it's working.

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i would have just used the home assistant integration for blink and then have it also play the sounds.

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[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have a wireless doorbell with a speaker that plugs in to an outlet.

I'd much like to replace it with a zigbee-button, but I've had issues finding a foolproof (wife-approved) zigbee thing to make the ding-dong-noise.

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[–] Crylos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Reolink for the win in my opinion.

Of course a nice brass bell as indicated would work too.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't they have relays for chimes?

Use the chime relay as a trigger for a real doorbell or ESP32 with a speaker.

Lot less dominos...

[–] __hetz@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They don't have a traditional doorbell which is why people previously knocked. Since they added the Blink doorbell, people ring the bell. Except there is no bell apart from the speaker built into the Blink... outside the front door... where it can't be heard by people inside. So you can't know if someone has rung the bell without having a phone on you to receive the notification. Blink sells a chime that can just be plugged into an outlet. Doesn't have the best reviews but I would've given that a shot first. Maybe it isn't sold in their market or something.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

What should really be the case is that the ring doorbell has a contact switch that works like a regular doorbell. When the doorbell is pressed it triggers the exact same thing a plain old doorbell used to do. Now all the other electronic and cloud functions are neat features and if they go down it’s no big deal.

[–] VoodooAardvark@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 weeks ago

And that’s the story of how I upgraded my flat’s front door experience from depending on 0 cloud services to 5 cloud services.

Fin.

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