VikingHippie

I don't think that people deserve things for free

First, your server isn't getting anything for free, they're working for their wage and tips.

Second, when it comes to the absolute basics necessary to survive then yes, people who could not otherwise afford to live should ABSOLUTELY get things for free.

people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others

Stiffing your server DOES affect others, though.

as a customer I should not be expected to tip as in pay the restaurants, employees or whatever

True, but right now it's the least bad alternative to starving and homeless servers.

I do not go to restaurants and I encourage others to do the same

Which is even worse for the servers since fewer customers means fewer tips and may eventually mean getting fired.

You're basically taking food out of the mouths of those who (used to) serve you and their children.

The definition of libertarian I was referring to is the American right wing libertarian.

Basically it's a childishly selfish belief that you owe nothing to the society that supports you and everything would be better if people were left alone to neglect and abuse each other.

That's an unfair exaggeration, of course, but not by much. It's basically rebranded anarcho-capitalism and idealised selfishness disguised in rhetoric about liberty and self-determination.

If you're going to be part of society, you should pay your part and if not, you should watch out for bears.

morally an ethically not letting society dictate. What you do with your own money is the correct stance

Eww, sounds like some anti-tax libertarian filth 🤢

it's absolutely ridiculous that people make statements trying to guilt trip you into thinking that you owe it to someone else to give your hard-earned money to them because their employer decides not to do it.

Answered your own rhetorical question. If the employer was forced to pay them a living wage (or did so voluntarily, but that's as rare as an ethical bank), you wouldn't need to tip, but until then, you're gonna have to pay so that the person who just performed a service for you doesn't go hungry or homeless.

And no I'm not saying don't tip

Could have fooled me!

what I'm saying is don't support businesses that expect you to pay their employees wages.

You should have led with that, then, rather than sounding like a deranged libertarian (but I repeat myself) for the first half of your reply

what I'm saying is don't support businesses that expect you to pay their employees wages.

I agree in principle, but in reality they're as like a politician that doesn't accept any form of bribes: extremely rare and in many areas they don't exist at all

I significantly cut down eating at restaurants

Good for you, but if everyone did that, servers would all get fired rather than just underpaid.

absolutely hate the narrative of people guilt tripping other people because they choose not to tip. That is their obligation in right and they should absolutely not feel bad about it whatsoever.

Aaand we're back to the libertarian tantrum of focusing on "-I- shouldn't have to" rather than "their bosses should have to" 🙄

I mean yeah, you LEGALLY have the right, I meant that you morally and ethically absolutely don't.

Yeah, I've always thought of it that way too: abhor the underpaying bosses and the politicians who allow it and advocate for change, but until then keep tipping generously no matter the level of service.

If you get bad service, your server might be having a rough day and/or the place might be busy or otherwise make their job of serving you more difficult. That doesn't mean that you have a right to deny them rent and food money.

If he was the best man, I'd hate to see the worst man at that wedding..

Those were originally citizenship restrictions only.

Until 1882, there was no law to keep people of color (or white people, of course) out of the country, even as they were met with tons of discrimination and abuse and no rights.

Wtf are you talking about? You're the one pretending that Trump is the only powerful man on the list.

Also, if you could drop the ableism, that would be swell.

I never said he's a nazi. I know he's not. I said he's corrupt, right wing and reactionary. Then I provided ample examples of him being a corrupt right wing reactionary. Nobody's on a cross here.

If you feel they have some vendetta against their readers and wanted to annoy you

Incompetence and ignorance don't have to be deliberate to be annoying. Especially when they happen often. I happen to expect better of those who are paid to inform people of breaking news. Being annoyed ≠ thinking it's about me or otherwise deliberate.

Sure sounds like you're a very stable person assuming that title was purposefully written to annoy people because [reasons].

Again, never said that. You sure sound like a very sincere person, waving around the strawman you constructed to dismiss my rational argument as paranoid ramblings.