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[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The definition of libertarian I was referring to is the American right wing libertarian.

Basically it's a childishly selfish belief that you owe nothing to the society that supports you and everything would be better if people were left alone to neglect and abuse each other.

That's an unfair exaggeration, of course, but not by much. It's basically rebranded anarcho-capitalism and idealised selfishness disguised in rhetoric about liberty and self-determination.

If you're going to be part of society, you should pay your part and if not, you should watch out for bears.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ok well with that definition I would no. I'm nowhere close to those ideals. I don't think that people deserve things for free. I also believe that everyone should contribute to society because that's how a society is ran. With that being said though I also am a firm believer that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others. Maybe I should reword I'm saying. What I'm saying is as a customer I should not be expected to tip as in pay the restaurants, employees or whatever. And because this is expected of me, I do not go to restaurants and I encourage others to do the same. I'm saying that this is not how things should be.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 10 months ago

I don't think that people deserve things for free

First, your server isn't getting anything for free, they're working for their wage and tips.

Second, when it comes to the absolute basics necessary to survive then yes, people who could not otherwise afford to live should ABSOLUTELY get things for free.

people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others

Stiffing your server DOES affect others, though.

as a customer I should not be expected to tip as in pay the restaurants, employees or whatever

True, but right now it's the least bad alternative to starving and homeless servers.

I do not go to restaurants and I encourage others to do the same

Which is even worse for the servers since fewer customers means fewer tips and may eventually mean getting fired.

You're basically taking food out of the mouths of those who (used to) serve you and their children.