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[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I beg to differ. I think morally an ethically not letting society dictate. What you do with your own money is the correct stance. If you go to your job and you get paid that is your money and you should absolutely under no circumstances be obligated to tip because society has made you think that they need it to live. That's your money that you need to live it's absolutely ridiculous that people make statements trying to guilt trip you into thinking that you owe it to someone else to give your hard-earned money to them because their employer decides not to do it. Screw that. And no I'm not saying don't tip, what I'm saying is don't support businesses that expect you to pay their employees wages. I significantly cut down eating at restaurants because I don't think that I should be obligated to pay employees wages, especially with the ridiculous prices. The restaurants charge for food nowadays. I absolutely hate the narrative of people guilt tripping other people because they choose not to tip. That is their obligation in right and they should absolutely not feel bad about it whatsoever.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf -4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

morally an ethically not letting society dictate. What you do with your own money is the correct stance

Eww, sounds like some anti-tax libertarian filth 🤢

it's absolutely ridiculous that people make statements trying to guilt trip you into thinking that you owe it to someone else to give your hard-earned money to them because their employer decides not to do it.

Answered your own rhetorical question. If the employer was forced to pay them a living wage (or did so voluntarily, but that's as rare as an ethical bank), you wouldn't need to tip, but until then, you're gonna have to pay so that the person who just performed a service for you doesn't go hungry or homeless.

And no I'm not saying don't tip

Could have fooled me!

what I'm saying is don't support businesses that expect you to pay their employees wages.

You should have led with that, then, rather than sounding like a deranged libertarian (but I repeat myself) for the first half of your reply

what I'm saying is don't support businesses that expect you to pay their employees wages.

I agree in principle, but in reality they're as like a politician that doesn't accept any form of bribes: extremely rare and in many areas they don't exist at all

I significantly cut down eating at restaurants

Good for you, but if everyone did that, servers would all get fired rather than just underpaid.

absolutely hate the narrative of people guilt tripping other people because they choose not to tip. That is their obligation in right and they should absolutely not feel bad about it whatsoever.

Aaand we're back to the libertarian tantrum of focusing on "-I- shouldn't have to" rather than "their bosses should have to" 🙄

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So I'm going to be really honest with you. I have no idea what a libertarian is so I liked it up. I don't know if I would consider myself a libertarian but after reading about it I don't really see what's bad about it. Can you explain to me in your own words why you think it's bad? I genuinely would like to hear your opinion about it.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The definition of libertarian I was referring to is the American right wing libertarian.

Basically it's a childishly selfish belief that you owe nothing to the society that supports you and everything would be better if people were left alone to neglect and abuse each other.

That's an unfair exaggeration, of course, but not by much. It's basically rebranded anarcho-capitalism and idealised selfishness disguised in rhetoric about liberty and self-determination.

If you're going to be part of society, you should pay your part and if not, you should watch out for bears.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ok well with that definition I would no. I'm nowhere close to those ideals. I don't think that people deserve things for free. I also believe that everyone should contribute to society because that's how a society is ran. With that being said though I also am a firm believer that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others. Maybe I should reword I'm saying. What I'm saying is as a customer I should not be expected to tip as in pay the restaurants, employees or whatever. And because this is expected of me, I do not go to restaurants and I encourage others to do the same. I'm saying that this is not how things should be.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 10 months ago

I don't think that people deserve things for free

First, your server isn't getting anything for free, they're working for their wage and tips.

Second, when it comes to the absolute basics necessary to survive then yes, people who could not otherwise afford to live should ABSOLUTELY get things for free.

people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others

Stiffing your server DOES affect others, though.

as a customer I should not be expected to tip as in pay the restaurants, employees or whatever

True, but right now it's the least bad alternative to starving and homeless servers.

I do not go to restaurants and I encourage others to do the same

Which is even worse for the servers since fewer customers means fewer tips and may eventually mean getting fired.

You're basically taking food out of the mouths of those who (used to) serve you and their children.

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