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used 3090 vs 4060ti on 15+ yrs old rig help (alien.top)
submitted 10 months ago by C080@alien.top to c/localllama@poweruser.forum
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tldr: can i just drop a used 3090 in my old PC or would be a 4060ti new safer option?

Hi all!
I really want to make my feet wet in running local LLM, especially

  • inferencing of 7b models
  • some QLora fun

I'd like also to have fun running bigger, quantized models and, if possible, finetune some smallish model like GPT2-XL (like 1B) but if it's feasible otherwise i'll just rent some cloud. A little bit of gaming (Escape from Tarkov) in my freetime would'nt hurt

I've figure it out that my best GPU options are :

  • 4060ti 16gb for around 450€ new and hoping for some black friday deals
  • 3090 24gb used for around 700€

My current (very old) pc spec are the following:

  • i5 2500 3.3GHz
  • 16gb DDR3
  • Asus p8p67 LGA1155 ( 4x PCI-E 32 but bus width)
  • AMR R9 270 Sapphire
  • a 600 W PSU

So my questions are:

  1. Can I afford to invest all my budget in the 3090? I have a second PSU at home that will be used only to power the gpu out of the case
  2. Is it better to buy the 4060ti and use the remaining budget to upgrade older parts (in this case, which one?)

Thanks for the help guys!

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[–] ThisGonBHard@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Both are bad choices:

IDK about the 3090 and the PSU, that thing can spike HARD, in the 1.6KW range, and if you PSU is a lower end one, it will kill it. I head a lot of people on 120V countries complain because it actually cause their lights to flicker.

The 4060 Ti is limited by PCI-E 8X at 2.0 speeds, but that is a XX50 chip masquerading as a 60, so it sips power.

3090 would be better, but you dont have the PC for it. Get a cheap used AMD B550 board for PCI-E 4.0, 64 GB of RAM and whatever CPU is within your remaining budget, all the way down from R5 3600 to R7 5800X3D, AM4 is really well segmented for price, even new. You will get better gaming performance too, and can run a lot of stuff in CPU with 64 GB of RAM.

[–] crantob@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Euro means he's probably on 220-240v. Those spikes are in the millisecond range - but they do a number on lesser PSUs. I've found to run a 3090 on my lower end 525w psu, I needed to cap power to 280W and frequency to 1650 Mhz. Asus ROG Strix by default was punching up to 1900+Mhz and blackscreening me.

Now things chug along just fine though. 9-year old PSU still inaudible with fanless hydro.