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[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 24 points 11 months ago (31 children)

Amoral at worst. Public transportation shouldn't have a fee at use. Tax the rich, invest in transport

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (30 children)

Not asking about the morality, asking whether or not the people making this argument on piracy consider jumping the turnstile to be theft, in the most practical sense. Not in an ideal world, but in the real world, would you consider that theft?

A turnstile jumper is also exploiting the products and services produced by offers without paying the cost to use them. Nothing is being "removed" in that situation either.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Ah, in that case, no that is also not stealing.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What would you call taking or using something without paying for it, then? Resources are still being spent to transport the person who has not paid for them.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who is losing resources when you hop a turnstile?

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The transportation authority who maintains the trains and stations.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I think I figured out the disconnect here. Yes, hopping a turnstile is against the law. It is still not considered theft. It is called fare evasion, and it is more akin to a traffic violation. The reason I was confused, and why I assumed you meant morality, is that nobody is saying piracy isn't against the law. The article never said that either.

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