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[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Even if the messenger might have dubious motives, I think the message deserves to be heard.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, I'm glad to know about it. I just hate that this might be a further example of Silverman's life and work being taken advantage of by the bad parts of the men's rights movement.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

🤔 So we need to focus on solutions.

What do you think would solve the problem of domestic abuse as a whole?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, the most straightforward way that would have the best outcome is if all domestic abuse claims are treated as credible and investigated equally. The current issue with how domestic abuse victims that are men are treated, which itself is rather tied into the long-term stereotypically viewpoint on men that the bad parts of the MRA groups have perpetuated, is the idea that men can't be abused, raped, or anything like that.

Changing that perception socially is the key to better treatment and outcomes being available, for organizations like what Silverman made to be taken seriously.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 months ago

into the long-term stereotypically viewpoint on men that the bad parts of the MRA groups have perpetuated, is the idea that men can’t be abused, raped, or anything like that.

Huh? That's...never been a position I've ever seen taken seriously in MRA spaces. The opposite actually.

It's not as bad as it used to be once upon a time, but once upon a time (still in the 21st century, but I'm probably older and been in this kind of conversation longer than most of you) it was mostly feminist types claiming that men couldn't be victims, or minimizing what that meant (like Mary Koss describing a man being drugged and forced into vaginal intercourse with a woman against his will as just "unwanted contact" rather than assault or rape just 8 years ago).

Are you getting MRAs confused with incels or the grosser flavors of PUAs?