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Google Pulls the Plug: The End of Third-Party Cookies and What it Means | TWiT.TV (twit.tv)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by redfox@infosec.pub to c/technology@lemmy.world

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This episode of Security Now covered Google's plan to deprecate third party cookies and the reaction from advertising organizations and websites.

The articles and the opinions of the show hosts are that it may have negative or unintended consequences as rather than relying on Google's proposed ad selection scheme being run on the client side (hiding information from the advertiser), instead they are demanding first party information from the sites regarding their user's identification.

The article predicts that rather than privacy increasing, a majority of websites may demand user registration so they can collect personal details and force user consent to provide that data to advertisers.

What's your opinion of website advertising, privacy, and data collection?

Would you refuse to visit websites that force registration even if the account is free?
What's all the fuss about, you don't care?
Is advertising a necessary evil in fair trade for content?
Would this limit your visiting of websites to only a narrow few you are willing to trade personal details for?
Is this a bad thing for the internet experience as whole, or just another progression of technology?
Is this no different from using any other technology platform that's free (If it's free, you're the product)?
Should website owners just accept a lower revenue model and adapt their business, rather than seeking higher / unfair revenues from privacy invasive practices of the past?

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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 89 points 9 months ago (35 children)

Constantly being brainwashed to consume is one of the great evils of our time. Consumerism is bad for mental health and the environment. But advertising also creates many biases in content creation.

When was the last time you heard anything about bad effects of advertising? Not just superficial "stupid ad" but as a massive corrosive force on society? That is how much freedom of speech we have.

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children)

Yeah, large portions of economies are being driven by consumption. I feel like so much stuff is just landfill fodder.

Massive affects of advertising

I was hoping you might have some examples, I'm not sure.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Sorry I don't have any great sources on this. It's rather speculation because how could you research this scientifically? Even if you could, an experiment like that would actually be unethical! And who would fund this, there is no way to talk in mainstream about advertising without running against massive financial interests. There are some search results but most of those articles look like mental garbage.

My guess is that because we're constantly being told what to consume our minds work quite differently from what they would without advertising.

Our minds constantly have to resist intrusive advertising and psychological manipulation which means we constantly have to switch between and adversarial mindset and whatever content we were watching / reading. Or we become obedient and just "let the advertising wash through us". And advertising constantly has to find new ways to activate our emotions.

Just as massive is the effect on content produced, there is a "natural selection" that any content that helps sell advertisement is more successful on the market. It's not just that you can't piss off your advertiser but that generally you want the consumer to be in a certain mood - or that content producers who do this naturally are more successful and grow.

Then there are privacy concerns which reduce humans to machines and creates a powerful system that can and is abused for political control (public relations).

How can any of that not have massive societal impacts, since it's being done on a massive scale and is near ubiquitous? How can anyone assume these effects are not incredibly bad?

You could have a country banning advertising that has a kind of "content tax" that is funded publicly and administered independent from the government through separate elections. And that has strict mandates and distributes the money to news papers, websites, movies and video creators dependent on views - similar to music rights agencies. But none of this is even talked about. We've completely lost the ability to even think seriously about how to improve our society. I believe in large part this is due to advertising.

PS: There is a film called "Branded (2012)" about the "horrors of advertising".

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 5 points 9 months ago

My guess is that because we’re constantly being told what to consume our minds work quite differently from what they would without advertising.

Our minds constantly have to resist intrusive advertising and psychological manipulation.

I stopped quoting because you made many good points. I imagine we could find some supporting material for this basic idea. It seems like a safe idea to say people adapt to the environment they are in, including our thinking patterns based on what we take in and feed our minds (books, media, streaming, conversation, etc).

I wouldn't be eager for a new tax, but the creative problem solving and imagining new ways to do things is good.

Also, thanks for the movie mention.

[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

i have an idea. let people buy the books and magazines. the ones people want to read are successful. others oh well. i'm a genius!

also: you have a good point about our minds working differently.

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