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A feud is heating up between Arizona workers and the world's leading chipmaker after the company claimed the US doesn't have the skills to build its new factory::TSMC wants to bring in foreign reinforcements to get its Arizona factory running because it claims there aren't enough qualified local workers.

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The Taiwanese were not born gods of semiconductors. They were one of the very first places we massively exported things to like Mexico. They were trained and educated over decades to get where they are now. Even if that was the issue it's nothing that couldn't be solved by education.

[–] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

But the issue is that they aren't going to sit on their hands while other countries/companies catch up. In part because "the semiconductor shield" is real. And also because... it is a LOT of money.

Branching out to other countries is... a choice. And I do hope it means we see more proliferation of skills. Because it is a major get for Intel to convince a Taiwanese engineer to move to Tel Aviv or whatever. It is a much smaller lift to convince someone to move from Arizona to New Mexico. Similarly, this has the potential to get TSMC a lot more in house designers for basically the opposite direction.

But this idea of "Oh, we can all learn. just give us time" is (generally) American Exceptionalism bullshit and a large part of how these incentives and tax breaks are being sold to politicians. Because, barring massive revolutions in processes, TSMC will still be on top even as the rest of the world becomes "competent". And you can bet they'll keep their best factories in Taiwan because, again, the semiconductor shield. But it will also mean that, when Xinnie the Pooh and china decide it is worth pissing away their economy to attack, the world doesn't go back to the stone age. More like the bronze or iron.

Because if it were just a matter of pumping money and time into it? Jensen would be calling Intel about building the latest GPUs. Because I will definitely poke fun at how "far behind" Intel's fabs are. But they are also actually REALLY good and some of the best on the planet. They just aren't THE best and the big money is in being able to make those ridiculously fine grain processes and chips. And that is because Intel is very much still playing catch up with a moving target.

[–] Crismus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I worked in a semiconductor plant. There isn't any special skill to it. You have a list that you do and nowadays the robots actually do all the difficult work.

In my time, you had to check and calculate by hand the offsets for the lithography machines. Now with it being done in self-contained robots because of the radiation x-ray process, a person just manages the robots.

Also, why isn't the new Intel plant being built having the same issues with qualified workers?

I personally think it's stupid to build a high water using plant in the middle of a desert, when the area hasn't ever monitored the water table.

[–] jwigum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Finally, someone mentioning the water usage aspect for a plant being built in Arizona. A water intensive/critical process? Sure, set it up in a desert…

[–] quicksand@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Intel recycles nearly 100% of the water they use, I'm sure TSMC will do something similar. They need to do a ridiculous amount of processing to make it suitable to return to the city supply anyways, so they just found a way to reuse

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