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- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
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So you admit that you don't have an accurate definition. That's a shame.
I beg to differ. The whole concept o class analysis doesn't make any sense, if you have these wobbly definitions of classes.
Lol. Please read a history book.
I think I have a more thorough grasp on "human nature" than you do. That's the whole deal of anarchists (Kropotkin, Graeber, Bookchin, ...).
Capitalists don't take investment risks anymore. Surplus value is a model that's used to describe a system. I don't make the mistake or confusing the model with reality.
This is the exact same stupid argument that conservatives use when the answer to "what is a woman" is "it's complicated". Some things don't have neat, concise, 1 sentence definitions
The rest of your post is not really a response to anything I wrote. I have read plenty of history books. And you saying capitalists don't take investment risk is just baffling tbh
Apples and oranges. We're doing class analysis here, not gender studies. The former is an exercise in modelling, the latter describes complex societal distributed systems.
I have written that you've got a wrong grasp on class analysis. You've not demonstrated that you've understood class analysis.
As soon as you got your first billion, you pretty @uch can't lose it anymore on the market. Look at Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, etc. And they haven't even invested their own capital to grow their empires. Entrepreneurial risks my ass.
Edit: I just realized how you just tried to weazel out of the discussion. You've brought up "human nature" and I refuted your argument. Claiming I didn't doesn't make you less wrong about human nature.
And "people like me" never getting anything done: There have been countless liberatory revolutions in history. Apparently, all the boks you've supposedly read left that bit out.
We not talking about billionaires. That's the whole point. You're so focused on "class analysis" and fitting into your predefined terms that you can't even see that the whole point of the discussion is that there's not a clear delineation between classes, which is precisely why "middle class" is important.
In what way have you refuted anything?
U sure?
Yes, there is. Working class, owning class. If there's not a clear delineation between classes, your definitions are whack.
By bringing up Bookchin, Graeber and Kropotkin. More of a statement that you've actually made about human nature.
If you disagree, then please elaborate why "people like [me]" don't understand human nature.