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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such


That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.


That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


4. No Bigotry.


The only dangerous minority is the rich.


5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.


We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

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6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.


Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.



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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Who said anarchists and their friends will not defend from outside threats? The Spanish anarchists organized and fought for 3 years against overwhelming odds when they had to.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 11 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Remains to be seen if anarchism can ever win though.

Statist forces have always triumphed.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Monarchy always triumphed over democracy until it didn't. Slavery always triumphed over abolition until it didn't.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But none of those triumphs were inevitable.

It's nice to think they were: I'd rather live in a world without slavery and with democracy but there was no guarantee of success except the fact that in hindsight it was successful.

Not all forms of government have won out. Nor will all possible forms of government succeed.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but looking forward from their end, with your perspective, none of them were possible. My point is that it's fallacious to claim that just because it hasn't succeed yet, it can't succeed.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Remains to be seen if anarchism can ever win though.

Statist forces have always triumphed.

Nowhere does this preclude future victory: this is an accurate representation of the current state of affairs. Anarchy has 0 victories and it remains to be seen if there will be any.

Until 1783 Democracy had no modern victories either, and it very much remained to be seen if it would.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Make a point. Don't make me assume what your point is and then just restate random facts still without making a point.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My point is and always has been the same: we don't and can't know if Anarchism will win out against statist forces or not. All we know is that it never has.

If you're expecting a more polemic argument about Anarchism Bad or something you won't find it. I wasn't here to debate anarchism: just to add a caveat.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

I mean your argument boils down to "we can't see the futurere" to which I can only answer "well duh". There's nothing there.

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