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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (14 children)

If anything this means Europe’s cities just can’t accommodate cars, because they weren’t built for them. The weird thing is that American cities were built for cars and yet still can’t accommodate cars. Traffic, lack of parking, road rage… it’s a huge mess, and it seems like the more you commit to cars, the worse it all gets. That’s the trouble with cars. They just don’t work.

I don’t really understand this comment though. It doesn’t take thousands of years to achieve urban density. And what does America’s sprawl have to do with loving large cars? You don’t need a huge car to drive medium distances.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

You need density to support a train system. You need a large number of riders to make it economical and you need them living within a reasonable distance of the stations. The US is very spread out. You can blame cars for that but that is the world we live in. The US is also very big with large rural areas, the western US didn't even really develop until trains came out in the 1869. Europe was built around compact cities based on horses and walking long before cars.

I agree that we are too car focused and it has become a sort of arms race, build more roads, more cars, more roads, etc.

[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The focus on cars is emotionally driven. The car symbolizes freedom and independence. Besides this it’s a huge status symbol. And the industry is working hard to keep it this way. The lack of decent public transportation is by design.

[–] krush_groove@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're absolutely correct, but a bicycle tideuor bus trip or train journey is also a feeling of freedom, too. Reframing 'freedom' so people don't feel they have to get a $70,000 crew cab pickup to drive to the bar or store is the thing.

[–] Sax_Offender@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A bus felt liberating before I got my driver's license. And driving felt liberating before I got ahold of aircraft controls for the first time. One day I'll get this jetpack to work and then forget about planes.

There is a continuum and its hard to go in the other direction without feeling the additional restrictions.

[–] rexxit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Quite literally, same here. There's nothing wrong with bikes, but used cars became unreasonably expensive and younger people never tasted the freedom. Planes are like that with even smaller percentages of pilots and even more unreasonable prices (last affordable in the 1960s, while cars were affordable until the early 2000s or so). People hate what they don't have or understand. Personal vehicles are incredibly liberating for those of us who get it. We're being shamed for appreciating an independence everyone should experience, but can't because there are too many people, too much demand, and all the ecological problems that come with it. Yes, human impact could be reduced if everyone lived in abject poverty, but guess what, poor people in developing countries want Western amenities too. Everyone should.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is so true. Bikes are a wonderful feeling.

I actually spent 8 years going to Burning Man and while I was there I volunteered to fix people’s bikes. A bike is really the best way to get around there but many people borrow one that’s in dubious condition, get out there, and realize it doesn’t ride well, or has no air in the tires, whatever. We helped so many people get those shitty bikes into a rideable state. Lots of flat fixes. Many lube jobs. A lot of people just needed the seat adjusted but didn’t have a wrench. A lot of bad derailleurs we would just remove, turning the bike into a single speed.

My goal was to help people have a week of joy on a bike and remember how awesome they can be. Most Americans ride a bike when they are kids and then abandon them. It gave me a lot of satisfaction to bring all those adults a taste of that joy and freedom again. I hope some of them returned home with a renewed interest in bikes.

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