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Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don't come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don't really get upset by it IRL

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[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

I said this on another thread posted by a very antagonistic vegan: Acting holier-than-thou, smug, and hostile is not a good way to convince people of your arguments. It pushes people away and biases them against you and the argument you're making.

Far too often I see vegans outright shaming and harassing people for choosing to eat meat, or acting smug and superior because they are making "the right moral decision" and everyone else is lessor for thinking otherwise. I often see them call people "stupid" and "lazy" for not making the same choice they did.

Now, if I came here acting the same way, but I was championing eating only meat and shaming others for eating vegetables, I'm sure vegans would be upset for the same reason.

It's gotten bad enough that a lot of people (admittedly myself included) are put off by vegans and their arguments. Not because the arguments don't have merit (they certainly do) but because enough vegans have acted antagonistic or smug that they get shunned for it when the discussion gets brought up, because it's what has become expected.

If you really want people to listen to you, you need to frame it from a friendlier and more down-to-earth position and not come across as hostile. The human mind tends to close itself off immediately when faced with hostility. This doesn't just apply to discussions about veganism, but any discussion in general really.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And I have yet to encounter a single smug vegan. Not online, not offline.

But I've seen countless people like you fighting the just fight against vegan windmills (awesome Rügenwalder double reference for the German people here).

So where exactly are those vegans? Are they in the room with us right now? Or are you defining every mere mentioning of veganism as an attack because you deep down are afraid of actually having to confront the cognitive dissonance you're living under?

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

With the Kirsti Noem controversy going on I've seen quite a few smug shit takes about veganism including (paraphrasing) "why are all you non-vegans outraged by this, it's no different than murdering a cow for their meat".

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

i mean, a great many people don't appreciate being told they are murderers. it provokes defensiveness rather than an openness to pro-vegan arguments.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago

It completely disregards other people's feelings.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well, it's not actually that different. There's no consistent moral principle that explains why the animals we treat preferentially ought to be treated preferentially, it just comes down to cultural norms and which animals you think look cute. It's worth examining whether our behaviors are grounded on what we actually think makes sense.

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