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Funny how the usual suspects aren't in here complaining about this. Meanwhile, Joe Biden doesn't kowtow their every policy wish and he's the devil.
Nope, they'd rather scream about "not voting for the lesser of two evils" full well knowing that if they don't that the likelihood of Trump becoming president and having MUCH worse policies for the Palestinians becomes much greater.
But hey, why care about the realities of a situation when you can scream about principles or something?
I'm sorry that you think actually-murdered Gazans versus hypothetical future murders aren't "realities" to be considered, just principles, or that you think choosing between 2 people who both profess backing policies that will result in said murders, is a normal choice to be making as an electorate.
Trump should already be in prison, for any number of crimes. So should Biden. That neither are, is an indicator of how "well" our system is working.
There is a fine line between "working from within a system to change it" and "validating and reifying the system, by being a willing participant". If you are finding that your participation is not having the impact you intend, perhaps you should consider what side of that line you're actually on?
I love how you don't highlight the Israelis murdered in the rocket attacks and other activities that kicked this latest round of conflict off. Almost like the usual suspects don't care if Israelis die. The whole, "we don't believe in mass murder" is complete bullshit. You just want one side to win and you don't give a shit how.
Why do you assume that pro-Palestinian people = pro-Hamas? How many dead Israeli people is enough to justify genocide? Nobody is saying that Hamas are the good guys, but they do often say they understand the material realities that created them (Israeli state actions). Everyone I know that is saying don't commit genocide also say it is not OK for Hamas to kill civilians, often in the same breath.
Edit: Some data for context
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/12/israel-hamas-war-data-shows-human-cost-of-conflict-through-the-years.html
Because they don't complain when Hamas kills people. Simple.
But they do? Both the people you are responding to in this thread literally said it is not OK for Hamas to kill civilians. You also didn't answer the second part:
How many dead Israeli people is enough to justify genocide?
Latest round, meaning October 7, or Rafah? Because according to the IDF, the recent rocket attacks out of Rafah didn't injure anyone.
And if you're treating an occupying force as being the same as the occupied population that is resisting them, you're starting from a false premise of innocence.
Is it alright for Hamas to kill civilians? Of course not. Is it okay for them to attack Israel with the means they have available to them, when they are being regularly attacked by Israel? Of course. They're both evil, but one is much more understandably so, assuming you don't for instance think Nat Turner was wrong for fighting his oppressors?