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[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 522 points 5 months ago (92 children)

So you did not notice that they didn't actual do anything...? But were happy that their mouse was moving around...?

This is what I fail to get. You give people things to work on. Why do you want to spy on them instead of just looking at the results? Even if someone spends half the time watching YouTube, if all the work is done... who cares?

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 84 points 5 months ago (7 children)

That's what salaried positions are supposed to be like. You're getting paid for the job, not the hours.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 71 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You’d like to think that, but the last several years have proven beyond a doubt that they’re much more concerned that we’re sitting at our desks during set hours than any actual outcomes.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The more the old lies are proven as lies, the closer we get to the truth:

Just as important as "getting the job done" is the notion among many employers that they truly believe that with their payroll they are buying human lives and happiness. That if they are paying a worker for their time and labor that they are entitled to also dictate how that person feels about it...and if that worker is not sufficiently miserable, then they can be squeezed further.

I used to think that it was purely about money...that the idea was that if a worker ever got "all caught up" and had free time, then they should be generating more wealth for their employer in some other way...but then we had the pandemic.

The pandemic where lots and lots of workers had to suddenly do the whole work from home thing. And in that time, these employers were thrilled to go along with it, since it meant continuing to make money. And in that time, most office workers eventually turned out to be happier and even more productive.

...yet in the wake of the pandemic, many of these employers have chosen less productivity in exchange for bringing their employees back to offices. The only explanation for bringing employees back in who were happier and more productive from home is that these employers value the image of control and the ability to make their workers unhappy more than they value productivity and money.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The alternative explanation is that the employers have investments in corporate real estate and don't want their investments to lose value. Personally, I think that the the people at the top probably have investments in corporate real estate, while middle managers are the way you describe.

I don't think the people at the top usually care what the employees are doing so long as they're making money, and being in the office means they're keeping corporate real estate prices afloat. As such, being in office makes money for the executives, even if that money isn't made directly through the company.

Middle managers on the other hand, likely don't have any significant corporate real estate investments, nor are they as likely get significant bonuses for company productivity. As such, it makes more sense for their motive to be more about control than it is money.

That said, I do know some executives do indeed see employees the way you've described them; an infamous example comes to mind about the Australian real estate executive talking about how they needed to bring workers to heel and crash the economy to remind workers that they work for the company and not the other way around. I'm just not sure that many executives actually think about their workers in that much depth. I think if they did then we'd see a stark contrast of very ethical companies and highly abusive companies instead of the mix of workplace cultures we have now; because some ceos would come to the conclusion that a happy worker is a good worker, while others would become complete control freaks.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago

think about their workers in that much depth

They absolutely don't. It's a combination of apathy, an aversion to recognising a workers specific value, and the utility of letting them spin their wheels while you ignore them, so they don't have the cognitive capacity to do something bad for you like find a different work environment.

[–] the_kung_fu_emu@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does

Seeing the world through this lens has been both freeing and disheartening...

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