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[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 23 points 5 months ago (12 children)

It's not that Disco isn't progressive; it's just lazily progressive. Case in point: the scene that bothers me to this day is Adira coming out as non-binary, just beyond cringe-worthy and very 21st century. As a viewer, the scene read like Adira was waiting to be judged harshly for their identity, and it just totally took me out of the era. By the 32nd century, I'd expect that being judged harshly for one's gender identity would be at least a millennium behind us, and the conversation should either have not happened or been so matter-of-fact that it was treated as nothing. I get what the writers were trying to do, and it fell so flat and felt so bluntly obvious. I'm all for the message, but the delivery was not great.

The saddest thing about Disco to me is that there were great ideas and great intentions, but the execution of those ideas was so poor. Really, it just shows that you can have great actors, great directors, and great concepts, but if the writers can't make it work, it just all comes apart.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 15 points 5 months ago (7 children)

That rather ignores the fact that Adira was an amnesiac stowaway at the time, with some pretty understandable trust issues.

It also ignores that the characters in the scene in exactly the way you're saying they should have.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

The problem I had with that scene (and the whole series, really, especially season 3) was that it framed human culture of the future as being generally oppressive and backwards. Acceptance shouldn't be portrayed as radical or exceptional. It should be normal and taken for granted among humans in the future. Like in TOS, Uhura's role was a big deal for viewers specifically because it was not a big deal for the characters. They just showed us a better future, where a black woman in a respected professional position was normal.

Discovery didn't show us a better future. It showed us a shitty future with a handful of decent people in it. This is just one example, but it's one that stuck in my mind as well.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What, in your view, was "exceptional" about Stamets' acceptance in that scene?

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It was presented as exceptional in-universe, from Adira's perspective. The fact that Adira felt weird about it at all paints the culture they grew up in as backwards.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again, though, that completely removes the context of Adira's character arc.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How so? Perhaps I'm misremembering, but they were born on Earth and raised among humans, right? Does that not say something about the human culture of their time?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago

They were amnesiac following being joined with the Tal symbiont - they only sorted out these identity issues after Discovery took them to Trill.

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