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[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Because we live in Canada and our design day heating energy requirement is typically far greater than our design day cooling energy requirement. Add in the fact that best pump efficiency falls way off at design day heating (to half or less of design day cooling) and you end up with equipment that may be able to do heating and cooling but is way oversized for cooling, so lots of people opt to save capital (and potentially maintenance) money by relying on gas heat for the coldest days.

Because water heating with heat pumps is currently garbage on the residential scale... the heat pump capacity on residential water heaters is quit low, which is fine for keeping the tank warm but not for dealing with a half decent draw, so they all include full electric capacity which means you need the service size and associated operating costs to go along with it. Commercial heat pump water heating isn't much better, it may get better once CO2 or propane take off as a refrigerant here.

Because more and more buildings are putting in emergency generators, which require either natural gas, propane or fuel oil. One of those is significantly easisr to install and maintain than the other two.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Finally, someone that knows what the fuck they're talking about. Heat pumps are fine in a lot of the world, but when you have to put a furnace in anyway because a heat pump can't deal with actual cold winters, you might as well just have the furnace.

[–] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yep, in Sask right now natural gas is about 1/7 the cost of electricity, which means at best a heat pump only costs about 2x as much to run as a modern gas furnace. Maybe as our grid transitions to renewables and carbon prices rise those costs will become even or shift towards benefiting heat pumps, but I suspect at this point you’re not going to hit break even over the typical life of a heat pump. Much more affordable to stick with gas for now, and maybe start moving to heat pumps 10 years from now. Same argument for water heaters, gas is going to be cheaper than a heat pump for most cases. Maybe new builds lean towards a heat pump because it doesn’t need venting which minimizes HVAC needs, and/or if a person has a solar system that minimizes their electricity costs.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Our power in Sask is dirty enough that burning gas in the home is better for the environment than using electricity for water tanks. 500% heat pumps would be better in theory, but they're not good enough for our winters yet, and the financial costs still aren't in their favour.

https://saskpower.com/our-power-future/our-electricity/electrical-system/where-your-power-comes-from

29% of the power being generated is coal as I type this comment.

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