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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I'm going to make the argument against trains for everything, despite being a huge fanatic for trains.

Trains are the most efficient transport method per tonne-km over land, yes. However from certain operational standpoints trains can make less sense than existing solutions.

When distance between stops for heavy rail becomes too short, you lose quite a bit of efficiency. Trains themselves aren't a one-size fits all solution as there are various types that each need their own form of investment (which is a lot $), when roads are compatible with both personal transport and large trucks with little investment by the transporter (govt pays for road maintenance).

Rail companies right now are chasing profits and neglecting operational improvements. In the US, hauling a long, LONG, old and slow train loaded with bulk aggregate, oil, grain, chemicals is more profitable than aiming for JIT capability that is more feasible with trucks. A complete change in societal incentives is necessary to bring back the usefulness of railway in all types of transport. Second, the North American way of railroad companies owning the tracks dissuades a lot of innovation and new firms from entering the market, unlike the "open road" where there are many competing OTR freight companies. None of the Big Six would like my idea of a nationally controlled rail/track system.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Trains themselves aren't a one-size fits all solution as there are various types that each need their own form of investment (which is a lot $)

Trains(international and intercity), metro(across the city) and trams(across the city) - all of them use same wheels. They are not that different.

when roads are compatible with both personal transport

*(here personal transport excludes everything that is not a car)

and large trucks with little investment by the transporter (govt pays for road maintenance).

Maintanance is most expensive part of car infrastructure. At least between those that directly paid.

[–] dorkage@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wheels are 100% different on Heavy Rail, Metros and Light Rails.

In addition to that all 3 have different requirements for curves, runout and grades.

Source: my employer makes all 3.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wheels mostly not. Though bogies for LR and everything else are very different.

And by wheel I mean steel disc, not breaking system, not suspension, not everything else.

[–] dorkage@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of light rail uses resilient wheels and heavy rail does not.

Wheel profiles (the shape of the part that actually touches the rail) are also very different between different categories.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Huh. Today I learned.

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