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[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

It's really unfortunate that the general public is so bad at nuance. I'm sure there's an uptick in people who can't distinguish between criticism of the ccp and of Chinese/Asian people in general. Mixed with influence of shitty American politics, it turns into more racist actions as described. I am slightly curious about the control stats on the increased reporting of violent actions such as coughing and spitting though. I feel like the general service industry has seen an uptick in that behaviour since covid started. Really hard not to lose faith in humanity while working in the service industry.

The issue of wealthy foreign investors buying up housing is specifically an issue of the wealthy investors, not all Chinese people. Again I don't expect the less nuanced public to know how to keep issues separate.

There are obvious real issues which inspire the friction that is happening. I.E. Nothing being done by the Canadian government about the foreign investors, and shit like the ccp authoritarian police that are able to spread ccp influence in Canada. They also do not mind using unethical means to spread or enhance their influence, which makes it harder for any ccp critical rhetoric to influence Chinese populations inside and outside of Canada. Mixed with any violent racism from other Canadians, I only see more divisiveness and difficulty finding cooperation.

I think the latter issue needs more help from the Chinese Canadians, although anything criticizing the ccp is often labeled as criticizing the Chinese people. Again, by every group. The extreme defensiveness of many Chinese Canadians towards the unethical authoritarian regime is likely making this entire issue much more difficult to solve. and again I think that particular issue needs more influence from the Canadian government on the general public distinguishing Chinese Canadians from the ccp, because apparently some idiots can't comprehend these things as exclusive and individual. The Chinese Canadians should be just as vocally rallied against the authoritarian regime influencing our country. this can be hard if there is still an otherwise strong positive opinion about china as a whole, because separating china as a whole and the authoritarian government that holds it is again not first thought for many people. strong family associations and ties can also make this extremely difficult. like most things, it's a multidimensional concept hell that's completely unique to each individual. The more other Canadians see Chinese Canadians criticizing the ccp, I think the more the concepts can be separated by the less nuanced individuals. Hopefully this attitude would also make its way to the idiots who do the hate crimes, and racial divisiveness could be lowered. Is there anything more the Canadian government can do to discourage ccp police authoritative power in Canada? Or to encourage Chinese Canadians in anonymously weeding them out while giving a platform to Chinese Canadians who are against ccp authoritarian influence?

Again, I believe encouraging the Canadian mindsets of communication, patience, and cohesiveness are the only ways to improve things. Recognize, denounce, and discourage the bad actors on every side.

I expect exactly none of this to happen. Ccp gonna ccp. Shitty people gonna shitty people. People are going to continue being divisive and segregationalist instead of growing together. I'll just sit here and continue being sad as it all happens.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Are you seriously suggesting that the victims of the aggression need to mollify the perpetrators by loudly shouting how they're a) not in China, and thus b) not in the CPC? Fucking HELL that's next-level white privilege in action! What's next? "She should probably have worn longer skirts"? "Maybe if she wasn't out so late at night..."?

[–] spector@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The perpetual foreigner mindset. They will never see certain people as Canadian. When they can't come to grips with that. They will never even see them as individuals. It goes no further than a monolith of which there are some who happen to be living in Canada but never Canadian. Gotta walk around making public displays of appeasement so peanut over there won't be shaking his is boot because they're all CCP agents until proven otherwise.

[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you did a great job at ignoring everything i said and then misrepresenting me.

"The perpetual foreigner mindset. They will never see certain people as Canadian. "

this is directly antithetical to my beliefs and actions. although that won't stop you from saying it.

and at no point did i even mildly suggest that chinese canadians have to prove they aren't CCP agents, or insinuate that they are any less canadian than i am.

however i did suggest that a more open dialogue on the subject could help to dissuade that from being a popular mindset for people incapable of understanding nuanced situations.

can't have a single conversation without this strawman bullshit.

from my understanding, there is enough reason to believe in and want to deal with CCP instating their authority in canada to affect canadians. i did also suggest that there might be difficulty in dealing with it openly due to pressure from an unethical authoritarian regime.

if your argument is that there is no CCP influence problem, that's another conversation, and i'm always available for new information. if your argument is that we shouldn't care even if there is CCP influence, then i disagree with you.

again, i am not and never would be defending the assholes or behavior stated in op's article. if you could just say "no, stop, that's bad." and have the issue be fixed, this would be a lot more simple. that apparently won't stop you from ignoring that nuance exists.

i have never said anything negative about "chinese canadians" because that is a diverse and populous group of every kind of individual and mindset. just like any other large group of canadians that fit any other group label. that being said, i have a in intense loathing of the CCP and other authoritarian regimes. i say the same shit about russia. i also don't agree with labelling all russians as evil, just because of the shitty situation caused by the authoritarian regime in charge.

i am just doing my best to understand and react to a complicated and nuanced situation that affects many people, as well as the stability of our political structure. if you disagree with any of my points, make a note on that point. don't ignore my intentionally phrased statements so that you can put words in my mouth and strawman my intentions into something else.

you are helping nobody and doing nothing to improve the situation.

maybe stop being an asshole and actually take part in a conversation.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Again, you are calling for the victims to change their behaviour, not the perpetrators.

Fucking Hell is white privilege embedded deep within you!

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