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The solution: https://www.debian.org/
Or, please consider Devuan as well, to ensure there are distros without hard dependencies on systemd, an expansive attempt to cement IBM/RedHat's control over the direction of Linux through foundational changes to the init, filesystem, login, homedir, and other components...
Please don't bother replying to change my mind... never gonna like systemd no matter what. If it works for you, fine. Some of us still find it wholly unnecessary.
I specifically pointed out Debian instead of Fedora because of my discomfort with what happened to CentOS, even though Fedora comes with more out-of-the-box for desktop-users/gamers.
Linux has already switched to systemd, whether you like it or not. 99.9% of new users will only ever learn systemd, if they even learn what an init system is at all.
Debian switched to systemd in 2013, and IBM was not involved with systemd before 2019. Poettering works for Microsoft, not IBM.
The changes to init were necessary. The init scripts were legacy bloat, even in 2013. Furthermore, the work from the systemd project on creating separate daemons for other parts of the OS have brought a lot of new features and innovation to Linux.
Also, lots of nasty bugs are in systems, because of bloat. They are getting fixed slowly, but who doesn't know cases where you cannot shut down the machine, because of "bouncing stars".
I still need to look up how to write an own startup script or start two same daemons listening on different IPs. This is why I avoid systemd on servers and only leave it on workstations.