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Let's say just like for example like MacOS. It's awesome we have so many tools but at the same time lack of some kind of standardization can seem like nothing works and you get overwhelmed. I'm asking for people that want to support Linux or not so tech-savy people.

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[–] Integrate777@discuss.online 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

On top of being preinstalled, we also need google search-able instructions that avoid the terminal altogether. People are afraid of the terminal, it doesn't matter why, it just is.

Currently, most solutions to linux problems come in the form of terminal commands. We would have to start creating a whole new troubleshooting forum where instructions avoid the terminal and are just lists of buttons to press in a GUI. Probably helpful screenshots too.

Of course I have no idea if some things even have GUIs at all, like configuring user groups and permissions or firewall settings, someone would need to make them. Not to mention every DE or program would need a different set of instructions, GNOME or KDE, firewalld or iptables. It'll be a lot of work.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

But that's several pages of point and click vs. a few lines to copy and paste,

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do not copy and paste into Bash if you don't understand the commands you're pasting in

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Who said I don't understand them? I've done point and click tutorials. They don't only take forever to follow, they also take forever to make.

Look at this monstrosity:

https://iopq.wordpress.com/2023/12/02/free-censorship-resistant-vpn-when-you-self-host-with-oracle-free-tier-and-cloudflare/

Holy shit, the copy and paste parts are the easiest parts of them all

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Fair; that was mostly a general warning, not necessarily directed at you, because many people do copypaste terminal commands without knowing what they are actually doing.

As long as you understand what a command does, absolutely go for it. No point typing that shit out when somebody else already has

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly maybe we need something like a portable guided tour format (you the "see what's new in ..." things but from strangers for specific thing).

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's an interesting idea, but the problem with UIs is you need some kind of a format to interact with all of the toolkits and legacy programs just to be able to figure out where on the screen the button you need to click is

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Right. I feel like maybe Free Desktop standard, tight integration with top toolkits (qt, gtk, etc) and a some image recognition for fall back.

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