this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2023
991 points (97.8% liked)

Technology

59446 readers
3908 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 241 points 1 year ago (73 children)

This is very upsetting to me--more as a point of principle than in fact--but I appreciate that it doesn't bother younger generations at all. I just had a small argument with my 11 year old about how not-a-big-deal-who-cares this is, and it basically ended with us agreeing to disagree since it'll be his problem and his kids' problem.

And the problem is normalizing the notion that an OS doesn't need to include a non-subscription word processor. The entire point of this move is to shift the OS Overton Window in favor of consumers accepting and expecting that features like word processors, spreadsheets, etc., should be installed separately and paid for on a subscription basis despite previous iterations of the same software being feature complete on install and purchased at a set, non-recurring fee.

WordPad hasn't been anybody's first choice for a word processor in years, but it was included with Windows and did the bare minimum for unsophisticated users. Now we're entering an era in which those users will as a matter of course buy off-the-shelf computers that come pre-installed without WordPad, but rather with a trial of Office Fuck-You-Pay-Me Edition. Those users may well discover that after their first six months with their new computer (that has made Microsoft more money selling their data than they paid for it), they suddenly get a pop-up informing them that their trial is up and MS wants $99.99 to release the documents they're holding hostage.

It's a step backwards for consumers in general, so even for the sophisticated of us who are least likely to be personally affected by this change, there's definitely cause for alarm.

[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, even Apple includes the iWork suite (Pages, Numbers, and Keynote) for free on Macs and iPads, no subscription needed.

[–] anon_water@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As it should be. We pay for it on Windows and Mac…

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

piracy theme intensifies
Office is one of the easiest things to pirate. It 1. is very popular 2. has an official mass-activation way that can be easily exploited. I suspect we may have a spy in there
Or, y'know, just use LibreOffice with the tabs setting and contextual groups if you can afford experimental features
or if you still hate the UI just use WPS instead, who cares that it's awful and from China you don't have to pay

Also, why would you even get Word or PowerPoint on macOS?? Excel I understand but these two??

[–] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

why would you even get Word or PowerPoint on macOS?? Excel I understand but these two??

Main reason would be full compatibility with Office documents.

Also, why would you even get Word or PowerPoint on macOS?? Excel I understand but these two??

Because Word and Powerpoint are what they know.

[–] anon_water@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Let me clarify what I meant. I am saying that we pay for the OS which includes applications on both Mac and Windows. Only Mac gives us a free suite of office applications.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, I get it now.
But you can pirate Windows for the exact same reasons.

[–] johnthedoe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The cost of the full Mac apps and OS is in the cost of the hardware. At least it’s one upfront cost. Surely the way windows is going can’t be popular or sustainable.

load more comments (70 replies)