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From Wikipedia

Stampede events that involve humans are extremely rare and are unlikely to be fatal.[5] According to Keith Still, professor of crowd science at Manchester Metropolitan University, "If you look at the analysis, I've not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede. People don't die because they panic. They panic because they are dying".[5] 

Paul Torrens, a professor at the Center for Geospatial Information Science at the University of Maryland, remarks that "the idea of the hysterical mass is a myth".[5] Incidents involving crowds are often reported by media as the results of panic.[16][17] However, the scientific literature has explained how panic is a myth which is used to mislead the attention of the public from the real causes of crowd incidents, such as a crowd crush.[18][19][20] […] [M]ost major crowd disasters can be prevented by simple crowd management strategies.[22] Crushes can be prevented by organization and traffic control, such as barriers. […] Such incidents are invariably the product of organisational failures.[4]

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 36 points 1 month ago (18 children)

People don’t die because they panic. They panic because they are dying”.[5]

Such incidents are invariably the product of organisational failures.[4]

What's the expectation here? That there should be orderly exits and moderation in people attempting to evacuate an area when they are dying? I'm not seeing how these 2 dots are connected.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I can't name the last time someone has died in a "stampede". It's probably all the egress and occupancy regulations we have to mitigate them.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Crowd crushes which are often wrongly called stampedes still happen, even if “first world” countries. A recentish US-based example would be Travis Scott’s Astroworld concert.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That fucker egged it on too. I can't believe he didn't face any real consequences for that.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No he didn't. He literally pauses the show to see if everything's ok. He's an artist on stage with a million stage lights in his face and none of his crew or managers, or back stage people, or security, telling him that anything is happening.

Reddit just decided that it was the scary black rapper's fault rather than LIVE NATION, the literal largest concert organizers in the world who were contractually and legally responsible for organizing the venue, security, crowd management, the emergency response plan, etc.

And guess what the court cases have shown? That Live Nation had exactly zero crowd management plan and didn't stop the show when they should have.

You are literally just falling for the exact same pro business, blame someone other than the organizers, attitude that OP is posting about.

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