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“BD” refers to Franco-Belgian comics, but let's open things up to include ALL Euro comics and GN's. Euro-style work from around the world is also welcome!

* BD = "Bandes dessinées"
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* GN = graphic novel
* LBK = Lambiek
* LC = "Ligne claire"

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Michel Kichka is a cartoonist borne in Belgium with Jewish roots, who became intrigued with Israel, and decided to do a permanent move, marrying and raising a family there with his French wife.

* "Aliyah" is a somewhat complicated word as I grasp it, but from what I understand at the basic level, refers to going back to one's roots / homeland.

-----> https://imgur.com/a/kjMohrs <-----

The way the sequence above concluded really shocked me, and even brought a tear to my eye, honestly. Me, I'm not remotely used to dealing with people like that, and yet I guess that's how it works in certain parts of the world? (gadzooks, mistress goose)

In terms of the comic itself, I found this sequence rather current & relevant to the USA, and a pretty excellent, interesting survey of the artist's life and Israeli culture. At the same time, it established little to no emotional connection with the characters, which is usually how we do these things, but... oh well?

https://www.bedetheque.com/auteur-23699-BD-Kichka-Michel.html


EDIT: As we've clarified multiple times here, this story snippet has to do with neighborhood relations in an Israeli city. It is by no means addressing anything on a national basis, including Israeli relations with other peoples or nations. Attempts to highjack the thread in that direction directly breaks our #1 rule here (practice netiquette) and will be dealt with accordingly. Thank you for your cooperation.

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[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (9 children)

A modern Israel never would have been necessary if Jewish people hadn't been unfairly persecuted for centuries and then genocided in WWII, a good bit of that due to bullshit literature like "PEZ," that sought to find external scapegoats for internal, national difficulties.

Regardless of all these comments, there's simply no good reason to start slinging shit in a post examining interpersonal conflicts within Israel. You are breaking the simple rules of this sublemmy (follow "netiquette"), and I don't appreciate it.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Modern israel was built on the idea of colonialism, not giving jewish people a homeland. That's why Herzl wrote Rhodes and visited some of the most horrendous antisemites of his time like the russian czar. To him the jewish people were nothing more than bodies to settle the colony he wished to build (similar to rhodesia). Why else would the y have contemplated argentina at some point for instance? Why the lost generation of the mizrahi jews? The forced sterilization of ethiopian jews?

Zionism is racist and at it's core anti-semitic since it wields the suffering of the jewish people as a shield to legitimize it's settler colonialism.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

You make some nice points to me. Not unlike what happened in the USA, altho I'm not perfectly from the States.

BUT you just skipped over the enormous points I brought up at the start. Now why is that...?

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The point about how israel wouldn't be necessary if jews weren't persecuted? I think I made it clear that the persecution was used as a cudgel to move bodies to the colony, not that the colony was established as a safe haven for jews.

Because if it truly was about helping jews the racism against non-white jews wouldn't exist.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think I made it clear that the persecution was used as a cudgel to move bodies to the colony

You see, when in retrospect, that stuff doesn't matter when a peoples are pushed over and across their breaking point.

Take a little mouse, for example. Let's say you smack it around for a long while, then finally push it in to a corner. Then you lean in for a kiss.

OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET BITTEN?

Don't you get it? (even at just a... theoretical level)

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

who's leaning in for a kiss in this analogy?

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