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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 1 month ago (22 children)

With no context, this could be an honest attempt to learn about different tools, a thinly veiled set-up to promote a specific language, or an attempt to stir up drama. I can't tell which.

It's curious how such specific conditions are embedded into the question with no explanation of why, yet "memory safe" is included among them without specifying what kind of memory safety.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (19 children)

Yeah, arguably the only answer to this question is Rust.

Java/C#/etc. are not fully compiled (you do have a compilation step, but then also an interpretation step). And while Java/C#/etc. are memory-safe in a single-threaded context, they're not in a multi-threaded context.

[–] paperplane@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Swift fits the description too

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most people would consider it so, but it actually does not either fulfill the argument I posed there: https://forums.swift.org/t/what-language-is-more-memory-safe-swift-or-rust/31987

[–] paperplane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Swift does have data race safety as of Swift 6 with their actor-based concurrency model and are introducing noncopyable types/a more sophisticated ownership model over the next few releases

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hmm, that sounds quite interesting. But because I've had to rebut that for everyone else that responded: Is it opt-in?

I guess, I would be fine with opt-in for the actor pattern, since you either do actors in your whole codebase or you don't, but otherwise, opt-in often defeats the point of safety measures...

[–] paperplane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's opt-in in Swift 5 mode and opt-out in Swift 6 mode, the Swift 6 compiler supports both modes though and lets you migrate a codebase on a module-by-module basis.

Agree that opt-in sort of defeats the point, but in practice it's a sort of unavoidable compromise (and similar to unsafe Rust there will always be escape hatches)

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