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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (23 children)

The logical conclusion of

you should have to work (to make money, transactionally, anything not valued by capitalism and rich people doesn't even count, if you don't or can't fit this model it doesnt count) to make a living

is that

if you don't work (with the previous very large caveats for what counts as 'work'), you deserve to suffer and die

A lot of people don't think about the implications of that statement when they make it, but that is the logical end point. My experience is that most people - at least if they aren't stressed from the existing model - absolutely want to do things, often sharing them for free, without coercion.

But even if not, do you think people should be miserable and die if they can't or even won't "work for a living" (for a very particular narrow definition of work that can gain you money under the current system, when stuff created and donated is often more valuable than things payed for due to lack of perverse incentives - e.g. FOSS ^.^).

I'm not even starting on how the current model of labour provides perverse anti-automation incentives. Automation should be liberating, but the way our society values people based on labour (e.g. Protestant Work Ethic) actively forces people (and the non-capitalist class as a whole) to avoid tools or processes that should improve our collective lives :/ - imo this is one of the most fucked up things about capitalism.

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (15 children)

And who is working to build that automation, who is working to integrate that automation? Who is building the mechanic stuff, the electric stuff the robots and linear tranfer axes, the PlCs and the sensors?

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The people who want to? I mean loads of people like developing infrastructure, hell, I am very much included in that number (more FOSS/software stuff and I'm not always the most effective for various executive dysfunction reasons but still)

People don't need to be threatened with starvation to do stuff, and not having that threat enables people to do stuff they think is valuable rather than what some rich arsehole wanting to fuck over everyone else thinks is valuable or what will happen to make money <.<

I think you missed the point if my comnent.

[–] Roflol@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thats the fun stuff, but theres lots of stuff that has to be done in a society thats not fun.

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It cannot be! People are working for fun:

"love what you do and you would not work a day" , right!? /s

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