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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


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That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


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[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

How do you propose to stop armed groups from forming?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Typically community defense, which means there are already armed groups, they just autonomous groups of people ready to defend their own communities. Similar to the concept of minute men if you want to think broad strokes.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

So you want a local conscript or volunteer militia? How about those local groups making alliances, sharing training, building up shared resources and infrastructure, a unified command, standardized equipment for better and more efficient defense?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

So long as the local group autonomy is still respected that can work fine in theory. Once you start stripping groups of autonomy to make a beauracratic monster, you've lost the anarchism plot. A lot harder in practice to have a massive armed org that values that autonomy. Most of the time local groups will be linked to other groups. Just by group consensus, not by necessity because of course that too would not be anarchism.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, yeah. Anarchism loses wars to bureaucracy. That was settled in 50 BC with the Gallic Wars.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Im no historian but I think we've made some headway in technology that allows for quicker longer distance organization in the past 2000 years.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

That gives even greater advantage to centralized bureaucracy. 2000 years ago armies could be independent weeks before anyone back in Rome knew what happened.

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like a theoretical Libertarian trying to raise an army. Do you hand a copy of the NAP to just the volunteers or also to those you fight?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you cant tell anarchism from libertarianism, theres no intelectual basis to continue this conversation on. Which would explain why you set up a strawman with your second sentence.

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

You got me, it seems I have not educated myself thoroughly enough.

Really though, if only the enlightened can see the light then it seems like it's just an academic exercise or trolling people to advocate for ineffectual fringe theory.

You may be right, but also powerless.

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