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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[โ€“] birdcat@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

oh right, totally forgot about those poor people who lived and partied next to the concentration camp and then got either kidnapped by people who wanted to break out of the concentration camp or were killed by the IDF. let's all show a bit more empathy! ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

[โ€“] Shampoo@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 week ago (11 children)

It's clear Judaism / Muslim conflicts have caused a lot more suffering to Muslims in Palestine for the last 100+ years. But the solution to this conflict will never be violence. Only diplomacy.

I'm arguing that such comments can generate hate and divide. You don't have to agree with me on this, but I at least hope you agree that the solution is not hate, but diplomacy.

When violence is acceptable the weak and marginalized are destroyed. I only wish the best for Gaza and Israel. And in my opinion the solution is empathy and diplomacy. It's obviously terribly hard to negotiate and empathize with your abuser. But in my opinion, if this sentiment doesn't start the conflict will only stop when the weaker side is destroyed. I hope we can respect each other. Bless you.

[โ€“] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Replace US with Israel in this Stokely Carmichael Quote:

โ€œDr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.โ€

Israel, or any bully, will not be swayed by your appeals to their conscience, no matter how hard you try. Ruling classes intentionally spread pacifist propaganda becomes its completely unthreatening to them. Pacifism overall is a losing strategy with zero historical successes, as the article below gets into.

Red Phoenix - Pacifism - How to do the enemy's job for them. Youtube Audiobook

[โ€“] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I think it's important to differentiate pacifism as a strategy -- the total renunciation of anything that could be considered violence, often including even mere property damage -- with non-violence as one tactic among many.

Many movements have had success using non-violence as a tactic in certain situations, so long as those movements don't take the possibility of ever using violence completely off the table (pacifism).

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