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Because you now did it to yourself.

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[–] Denalduh@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (29 children)

I know they're not done counting everything yet, but as it currently stands..

2020 Biden - 81.3m
2024 Harris - 66.2m

I'm disgusted with our country.

[–] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I was looking at those numbers too. And if you compare Trump's 24 numbers to 2020, he lost about 4M votes this time. So it's not like the 20M from Biden voted for Trump this time, they just didn't vote.

20 million people are going to be the reason for the death of Democracy.

Assholes.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

20 million PLUS all the Trump voters.

You must not focus solely on non-voters.

  • The people voting for Trump are much more directly responsible.
  • You will need those non-voters in the future, completely alienating them now will not help the cause.
[–] StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

completely alienating [non-voters] now will not help the cause

So we just keep being nice to the braindead traitors who can't be arsed to get up off the couch and vote so we all don't live in Nazi World? Because they just haven't heard the right argument yet, or they just need a wee bit more cajoling, maybe a cookie next time.

idc if it's existential malaise over the world burning up, or just that they get enough civic participation from their social media Feed. idc about their endless reasons for not showing up (I've heard them all up here in Ontario where less than 1/2 the eligible voters turned up, and they're all nonsense about how it's someone else's fault. They feel no shame about it: they've been thoroughly convinced that they're too good/smart to vote).

You keep on with not alienating the braindead lumps. You'll find them endlessly commentating online, blaming The Woman for Doing It Wrong. Because Kamala didn't personally bring them tendies they decided their country should be governed AGAIN by a White Supremacist Rapist Incontinent Felon who's owned by frothy fundies who want to burn the witch.

Every abstaining vote was a vote for Trump. They just wanted to be able to say Wasn't Me.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 0 points 22 hours ago

This has layers to it.

Morally: Yes, you are absolutely right. Non-voters share part of the blame of electing Donald Trump, they share a part of the moral responsibility and should absolutely be held accountable. Everyone who says "Wasn't me", needs to be told that they are part of the problem.

Hell, telling people that non-voters are culpable was one of my first reactions.

Strategically though it's important that I did not say that they should not be alienated at all, but that I said they should not be completely alienated. Just ask yourself two simple questions:

  • Can we (a broader left and left-leaning coalition) win future elections without them?
  • If we completely alienate them, if we treat them as enemies, will they vote how we need them to, or will they dig in and maybe even turn into the enemies we would prefer them not to be?
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