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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The worst impact of this debacle will be outside the USA. This will be taken as a green light for strongman politics everywhere. Including here in Europe where that sort of thing has ended very badly in the past.

You Americans really have behaved like spoiled children. Whatever the leftist fringe here thinks, the American constitution is the envy of the world. You're on the same electoral calendar since the 1780s, without a single interruption. For literally centuries your leaders would follow the rules, shake hands and leave office when their time was up. Over and over again. It's an incredible achievement, it was the template for a successful democracy.

And then this ogre came along and broke it all, and you decadently voted him back in.

IMO America's institutions will contain the damage, probably. But other countries will inevitably now follow the example of America's voters. And for some of them that's going to turn out less well.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

...I have no idea what you're talking about.

No one outside of the US gives a fuck about the US constitution. Many countries have their own constitution, and many of these countries have a history that goes back many centuries before America was a thing.

Yes, Trump has likely fucked it all up for anyone that isn't rich or white, but no, this won't usher in a new era of right-wing politics again. Many countries have either flirted with populism for decades already, or have got over their populist turn from pre-Trump and voted moderates in.

From the perspective of Europe, Trump ripping shit up is likely only going to result in a more united Europe, because they'll need to pick up the pieces for climate change and NATO. Trump enforcing tariffs on European countries will harm exports while bolstering European trade, and might even go as far as to push countries like the UK that are largely Eurosceptics into aligning with those near their borders. This isn't 2016, and with more at stake now I can see Trump either toning down his rhetoric, or isolating his country from his closest allies.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Agreed. Movies and TV have given us understandings of the 1st and 2nd Amendment, and I'd wager that's pretty much the extent of people's knowledge of it.

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