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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 61 points 3 days ago (52 children)

Correct, Biden just cozying up to Trump when he should be using emergency powers to arrest this madman who under the 14th Amendment isn't even eligible to be President was absolutely sickening to me.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (45 children)

Right so... "let's do the thing the fascist threatens to do because we're right and it's justified" is not the same thing as the fascist saying "we'll do it because we're right and it's justified".

Easy to justify the means when you believe in the ends... but of course every one thinks they are right and that everyone else will come to believe they are right, thusly conveniently avoiding any bad consequences.

Do you have any idea what would have happened if Biden just arrested Trump?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Do you have any idea what would have happened if Biden just arrested Trump?

If he would've done it early in his term, I suspect Trump would not have been elected president again. But instead he pushed the idea through some absurdly bureaucratic system that allowed Trump to run the clock out on everything.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he would’ve done it early in his term, I suspect Trump would not have been elected president again.

We would have had a civil war or at least an attempted one. Then the next time a MAGA-esque Republican came along, which would probably be in 2028 or 32 they'd feel free to completely take the gloves off. We would have validated and enabled that behavior by doing it ourselves.

I do find it fascinating that you seem to be attributing this all to Biden. We have a relatively weak executive branch and separation of powers through different branches of government for a reason. Overturning that is the worst possible idea.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then the next time a MAGA-esque Republican came along, which would probably be in 2028 or 32 they'd feel free to completely take the gloves off.

And you think letting treason pass with no consequences isn't also sending a message?

The Republicans have no shame and aren't waiting for the Democrats to strike first. Take away one rationalization and they will just manufacture another.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

"And you think letting treason pass with no consequences isn’t also sending a message?"

Like it or not the rule of law and due process still applies, even to people we detest. It wasn't "letting treason pass", it was not being able to get the consequences to stick because of (a) a conservative Supreme Court ruling that gave presidents immunity; (b) a Trump-appointed judge slow-walking and then essentially ditching Smith's case. Notably, hundreds of Jan 6 participants went to prison for their actions. Hardly a pass there.

Simply locking Trump up because -we- felt he was treasonous is the exact same thing as Trump and the fascists locking us up because they feel we are treasonous. Critically, it invalidates our claim to being in the right and it validates the action as justified and correct, thus undermining any attempt to ensure fascists are correctly labeled as 'the bad guys'. I know to us that's obvious, but sadly there are millions of Americans who are unclear on that point and need to be educated. You can't educate someone by proving them right in their claims.

I am NOT saying that overriding the rule of law isn't sometimes necessary. After Hitler came to power and over-turned the rule of law then obviously he had to be stopped and the means didn't really matter. I prefer to believe that will not be necessary with Trump and we can empty the burning dumpster in 2028.

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