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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago (10 children)

If you look at who is manufacturing silicon, the numbers look even worse for Intel. All of these competitors are using TSMC fabs. AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, etc.

TSMC is the real 500lb gorilla in the room.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It’s gonna suck so hard for the whole world when they get invaded :(

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Biden just finalized the Arizona TSMC plant.

If that gets invaded, I think semiconductors are the least of our problems.

[–] chutchatut@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But the Arizona plant wouldn't be allowed to manufacture the most cutting edge chips.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How/why is that blocked?

Would it still be if China invades Taiwan?

[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 17 points 1 month ago

Taiwan is incentivized to keep the latest and greatest local, so they can hopefully get protection from the USA and Europe

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Taiwans rule. Foreign tsmc fabs have to be a gen behind. This would definitely change if China took over Taiwan, but who knows what China will do or allow at that point. They could shut the whole US fab down if they want. Even if they did try to re-tool the US fab (taiwan or china or tsmc) in a few years, it would cost billions and a lot of time to get it done.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you also have to keep in mind, the client that purchases cutting edge nodes first is apple. AMD only currently uses it for Zen 5c, and Qualcomm uses it for snapdragon elite/8 gen 4. mobile usally always gets them for efficiency reasons(and better yields due to smaller dies). other markets have historically been a node behind already (e.g despite the 9800x3d being new, its only a N4 die with a N6 io die)

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