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  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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Property developer and CEO Tim Gurner: "We need to see unemployment rise. Unemployment has to jump 40, 50 percent in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."

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[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Competition is inherent to our existence. Not everybody can have a house of gold or even live on the coast. How do you allocate scarce resources? Competition is everywhere.

Nationalizing supplies only hides the true prices and will create a grey market for undervalued goods. Problem is that most goods will be overvalued because, as you write, only capitalists are incentiviced to reduce costs.

No leadership can overcome the misalignment of incentives. The sovjet union could have had better leaders but which resources can they use if managers don't dare to cut costs?

Coops can be more competitive when workers understand that they are not only compensated with money to consume but also influence. At least the unemployed should be willing to participate.

If workers cannot be motivated to support coops, how can socialism be sustained?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

How do you allocate scarce resources? Competition

Competition is far from the only way to allocate scarce resources. If you make one box of mac and cheese, do you make your kids fight over who gets what share?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

How do you create close bonds between strangers that other ways become possible?

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Education. Same way we all learned not to kinfe fight people at the mall.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, but it's not personal relations that prevent the fighting but the threat of being expelled.

You are essentially arguing that it takes capitalistic ownership to enforce social behavior.

How do you prevent knife-fights outside the mall?

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Nah, I don't knife fight people in the mall because that shit sucks and I have been educated about it. It isn't because society will deny me a Cinnabon if I do.

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